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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 22:57:45 GMT -5
I'm unclear on your point. Do you think Nunes has something big here, and that the memo is a prelude to a major bombshell?
I don't. I think the memo is less that a nothingburger, as is Nunes' claim he's got more. Much sound and fury, signifying less than nothing (since I think it actually is gonna end up backfiring).
For a while now, Nunes and Hannity and all the Russian bots on twitter have been screeching about The Memo!!! So it's released and most people say "pfffft." Now they all screech "It's about Other Memos!!!"
It's about distraction.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 7:28:06 GMT -5
I'm also enjoying the "Yo Memo" jokes on Twitter. Even Roy Moore's horse got in the act:
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Post by mikey on Feb 3, 2018 9:26:39 GMT -5
I'm unclear on your point. Do you think Nunes has something big here, and that the memo is a prelude to a major bombshell? I don't. I think the memo is less that a nothingburger, as is Nunes' claim he's got more. Much sound and fury, signifying less than nothing (since I think it actually is gonna end up backfiring). For a while now, Nunes and Hannity and all the Russian bots on twitter have been screeching about The Memo!!! So it's released and most people say "pfffft." Now they all screech "It's about Other Memos!!!" It's about distraction. Was this directed at me? I think so, but not entirely sure. If so, my point is that you were the only one that I know of on this board who is trying to tie Muller and or his investigation to this memo. All evidence I've seen concerning the release and contents of the memo has to do with an indictment of the FBI top brass and FISA warrants. As Trey Gowdey seys, carry on with the Mueller investigation, it's all good. As far as Nunes Step B, yeah, politicians like what they perceive the lime light. Russian bots? The mind controlling Russian bots? The same Russian bots that Americas finest in the FBI, CIA, NSA,BSA, GSA and the eight graders at Lane middle school can not counter? Talk about distraction. This is all about our own government, nothing more.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 9:42:18 GMT -5
Um.
A LOT of people are saying what I'm saying about the memo. Gowdy and McCain said what they did because some claimed the memo proved the Mueller investigation was improper and should be terminated -- some are still claiming that.
I am working all day today (and alas, all weekend) and am about to hop on a call, but if no one beats me to it (feel free, peeps!), I'll be glad to dig up a bunch of cites proving that. Seriously, that's why so many Trump supporters were screaming "release the memo!" It's all about the Mueller investigation.
By the way? If it's just about discrediting the FBI, its fucking despicable and dangerous. Scratch the "if" -- everything about the memo is despicable. It is flimsy, pathetic, dishonest, and nakedly partisan, done with complete disregard to the safety of our intelligence community and the integrity of our political institutions. And all to fuel conspiracy theories to keep Trump's base occupied.
In other words, it is shit -- dangerous, unpatriotic shit. It's farce. Banana republic bullshit from beginning to end.
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Post by franklymydear on Feb 3, 2018 9:48:35 GMT -5
I get the impression that the noose is tightening round Trump,s neck and this memo business is a desperate attempt to divert attention from the main story.
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Post by mikey on Feb 3, 2018 10:55:04 GMT -5
Um. A LOT of people are saying what I'm saying about the memo. Gowdy and McCain said what they did because some claimed the memo proved the Mueller investigation was improper and should be terminated -- some are still claiming that. I am working all day today (and alas, all weekend) and am about to hop on a call, but if no one beats me to it (feel free, peeps!), I'll be glad to dig up a bunch of cites proving that. Seriously, that's why so many Trump supporters were screaming "release the memo!" It's all about the Mueller investigation. By the way? If it's just about discrediting the FBI, its fucking despicable and dangerous. Scratch the "if" -- everything about the memo is despicable. It is flimsy, pathetic, dishonest, and nakedly partisan, done with complete disregard to the safety of our intelligence community and the integrity of our political institutions. And all to fuel conspiracy theories to keep Trump's base occupied. In other words, it is shit -- dangerous, unpatriotic shit. It's farce. Banana republic bullshit from beginning to end. I have no doubt that there are a bunch of anti Mueller people out there screaming "HANG MUELLER". I'm just saying that as far as I've seen, no one here is saying that. Not even Trey Gowdy, not that Trey Gowdy is a member here. But damn girl, you work too much! You are so engaging, everybody wants your attention. One last little snark, which I hope you don't mind too much, J.Edgar Hover would be so proud of his favorite daughter, MLK? not so much
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 15:10:26 GMT -5
If a client decides to hem and haw through most of the week and then make me work through the weekend because of some imaginary urgency to turn something around by Monday, that, alas, is likely what I'm going to end up doing. Being engaging has nothing to do with it.
I've no idea what your last bit of snark means, and no time, alas, to consider it.
Everyone be good -- I may not be around much this weekend, the way things are looking.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 20:26:20 GMT -5
FWIW, here's a person claiming that the memo proves Trump innocent and demonstrates that the Mueller investigation should end...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 20:35:26 GMT -5
FWIW, here's a person claiming that the memo proves Trump innocent and demonstrates that the Mueller investigation should end... And this guy seems to agree... [/video] ETA: Of course, they're both corrupt, lying idiots who have no idea what they're talking about and don't give a shit about their country or anything beyond themselves and their partisan agenda, but I understand a lot of people listen to them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 21:59:49 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 8:47:07 GMT -5
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Post by mikey on Feb 4, 2018 16:05:05 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 10:24:23 GMT -5
Okay. I know I promised I’d get back to this thread a while ago, but crazy political stuff keeps happening, real life is busy and I only have so much time to ‘splain. I may come back to this topic, especially if others come to discuss, but here’s a start for now. The Democratic memo completely blows the Nunes memo’s claims out of the water. The Nunes memo alleges that the FBI improperly used opposition research put together by a Democratic political operative to go after the Trump campaign without disclosing that fact to the court. Nunes states this was “a troubling breakdown of legal processes established to protect the American people from abuses related to the FISA process.” This is wrong in just about every possible way. 1) As Schiff’s counter-memo points out, the FISA application clearly stated exactly the fact Nunes claims was not disclosed -- it explicitly notes that “the FBI speculates” that Steele had been hired to find “information that could be used to discredit Candidate #1’s [Trump’s] campaign.” ( As a side note, Republicans keep wanting to forget this, but Steele’s investigation was originally started and funded by REPUBLICANS, not Democrats.) And why is it even relevant who funded Steele? The question is whether the information he turned up was credible. If Hillary Clinton had videotape of Trump taking a check from Putin in exchange for not imposing sanctions, would that evidence be worthless because it was Clinton who uncovered it?) 2) Taking all of that aside, the Steele memo was only supporting evidence for the application. Page had been under FBI surveillance from 2013, long before he joined the Trump campaign -- and for good reason. www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/who-carter-page-what-does-he-have-do-russia-probe-n844821 Indeed, Nunes’ memo itself makes it clear that the Steel memo was not what kicked off the surveillance. Section 6 of the Nunes memo states that “[t]he Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016” – in other words, months before the Steele memo surfaced. www.politico.com/story/2018/02/05/fbi-footnote-carter-page-warrant-390795 3) Taking aside what kicked off the investigation, the warrant wouldn’t have been renewed if it were not in fact turning up viable evidence. The FISA warrant in question was renewed three times. Renewal was required every 90 days, meaning Page was under surveillance for about a year. Renewing is not a rubber stamp -- the FBI had to keep showing that the surveillance was justified and bearing fruit. Over the course of that year, numerous law enforcement officials signed off on it, including Dana Boente, now the general counsel of the F.B.I., McCabe, the former F.B.I. deputy director; and Rod J. Rosenstein. Moreover, federal judges appointed during Republican administrations signed off on it repeatedly. Of the four federal judges involved in scrutinizing the surveillance requests, two were appointed by George W. Bush, one by George H.W. Bush, and one by Reagan. www.cnbc.com/2018/02/26/here-are-7-things-you-may-have-missed-in-the-democrat-memo.html What, are they all in on the great Blue Conspiracy, too? 4) Worth noting, by the way, that Nunes by his own admission did not review any of the underlying documents he cites – and Schiff did. thehill.com/homenews/house/372119-nunes-admits-he-did-not-view-the-surveillance-warrant-applications-that-formI'm gonna turn it back to Mikey -- what specifically in the Nunes memo states an allegation that you think is yet unexplained and that make the FISA application fishy? Name those allegations, and I'll do my best to provide information and cites to counter them.
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Post by mikey on Mar 12, 2018 14:05:59 GMT -5
Yeah, this seems to me to be an outdated topic, but I don't want to leave ya hanging. My intentions with starting this thread was more about the hype leading up to the release of the memo than the actual contents itself. I do think that both memo's are meaningless. With that said I've got a couple of remarks on your take on the subject. 1)No where that I'm aware of did the fisa application point out that the financing for the Steele memos come from specifically DNC and Hillery campaign. The source of financing was left in limbo, Which was the point. 2)According to Business Insider, “"Furthermore, [FBI] Deputy Director [Andrew] McCabe testified before the committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISC without the Steele dossier information." www.businessinsider.com/key-sentence-of-the-nunes-memo-read-text-2018-23) And 4) just sand in a storm as far as I can see.
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