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Post by Amadan on Nov 20, 2018 13:13:45 GMT -5
This happens in every election. Some media outlets call some races early, and in the aftermath they are blamed by the losers for influencing the outcome. It's possible (though unlikely) that such premature announcements really have made the difference in some cases, but it's not provable. It would also be hard to prove that it was a deliberate effort unless you catch someone stupid enough to be recorded saying "Let's call the race for the Democrats so all the Republican voters will stay home."
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Post by robeiae on Nov 20, 2018 15:22:35 GMT -5
Nobody in California watches Fox News.
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Post by celawson on Nov 20, 2018 19:25:58 GMT -5
Well the Repubs do watch Fox. honestly it’s so blue here that it does seem futile to vote GOP a lot of the time. I can see an early call like that being the straw that breaks the last bit of will to make it to the polling place
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Post by Amadan on Nov 20, 2018 19:35:12 GMT -5
For some people? Probably. For enough people that it actually changes the outcome? If it were that close, I doubt they'd be calling it so soon.
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Post by robeiae on Nov 20, 2018 20:05:19 GMT -5
The whole "they called it too early" works both ways. If it can cause people on one side to not go to the polls, it can do the same to people on the other side. And honestly, I don't think this has much of an effect on individual state-level races. Where it can impact things is at the national level, when--as in the past--bunches of States were being called as early as possible, so as to be first.
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Post by nighttimer on Nov 26, 2018 20:41:29 GMT -5
Standing on the verge of Confederate sympathizer and public lynching freak Cindy Hyde-Smith's likely win in Mississippi over Mike Espy tomorrow, I just wanted to say appeals to racism still work in 2018. That's why Trump is on the stump in two campaign stops in Mississippi. Even against a lackluster opponent like Espy, Hyde-Smith is such a fuck-up, Trump has to drag his ass around a flyover state to prevent another Roy Moore style debacle. Racism and Republicans go together like milk and cookies. White milk, not chocolate. Never chocolate.
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Post by robeiae on Nov 27, 2018 13:25:43 GMT -5
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Post by robeiae on Nov 28, 2018 8:10:02 GMT -5
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Post by nighttimer on Nov 28, 2018 14:32:44 GMT -5
On recounts: I think there is a real possibility that Florida might flip with both the Senate and Governor races. And Arizona could obviously go either way. 51 makes it a whole different ballgame and gives those two Senators I mentioned earlier a lot more power, as the deciding votes. I'd obviously love to see that. Having the margin be that close at least means that the GOP must have the more moderate members of its caucus on board to do anything. It's slightly less of a rubber stamp for Trump (though not much of one, given what we've seen the last couple of years). Murkowski has shown herself willing to balk Trump's bidding now and again. Collins, less so, but then, she's now pretty isolated up there as a Republican in Maine. That might influence her to do it more often, and perhaps on some issues I care about, since she purports to care about them as well. (Yes, Prozyan and nighttimer, I can see you shaking your heads. It's not that I think it's likely Collins will turn all maverick, but it's the only shard I can cling to in the Senate until 2020. At least I gave up on Flake. Good. Now do the same for Little Suzie Collins.I do not believe in fairies or in Post-Racial America or unicorns who fart rainbows and shit gumdrops. I do not believe in the fantastical and the fictional and the imaginary and therefore I do not believe in the Myth of the Moderate Republican. If they exist, they are few in number and even fewer in possession of a fully functional brain stem. Little Suzie Collins is not a secret member of The Resistance. Little Suzie Collins is a con woman and a fake and a fraud and a phony. Little Suzie is not here to be your Santa Claus, your Joan of Arc, Your Hanoi Jane or your Profile In Courage. She's sure as shit not here to be anyone's down low Emma Goldman.
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Post by robeiae on Dec 2, 2018 15:26:44 GMT -5
Snipes rescinds her resignation: www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/fl-ne-brenda-snipes-rescinds-resignation-20181201-story.htmlI think Norris may have a point on the pension issue, but then I also think Snipes has failed so miserably that she's earned such a result. As to the politics of it all, it's still an elected office, so Scott's appointment will have to stand for election in the next cycle, just as Snipes did when Bush appointed her to replace Oliphant. As to it being based on "false or unfair allegations," that's laughable, since Snipes' failures are a matter of record in multiple elections and--in this one--it's unquestionably true that her office violated Florida election law.
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Post by prozyan on Dec 18, 2018 11:13:47 GMT -5
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Post by robeiae on Jan 10, 2019 9:56:05 GMT -5
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Post by nighttimer on Jan 10, 2019 14:29:11 GMT -5
Quite a bit IF you actually read Judge Walker's ruling. Plenty of answers for ya there. Despite Brenda Snipes' "extended and documented history of screwing up," she still deserves due process and Rick Scott didn't give her any. Which is why Walker dropped the 500-lb shithammer on Scott's bald little head.
I'd have to defer to Cassandra or Mark's vastly superior legal credentials, but from this layman's POV, Judge Walker's ruling looks suspiciously like a bitch slap.
Oh, and here's a fun fact about Scott's handpicked successor to Ms. Snipes. He comes to the job with NO experience. Apparently, Rick Scott's idea on how to improve the Broward County election office is to take some unqualified party hack and slide his ass into Snipes' chair hoping that maybe he'll get lucky and do a better job than she did. And Florida can continue to be a laughing-stock during election time.
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Post by robeiae on Jan 10, 2019 16:33:32 GMT -5
I agree, I think Walker's ruling does look like a "bitch slap." But that doesn't make it right or sensible. He actually asserts that the suspension damaged Snipes' reputation. It is to laugh.
Snipes has been a royal fuck up for years. But the wise people of Broward County kept electing her, despite her screw-ups. This year, yet another series of idiotic moves by Snipes turned into national news. And lawsuits led to a judge actually finding that Snipes had broken election law and violated the State constitution. I notice that Walker doesn't address that ruling at all. And Walker criticizes Scott for not accepting "the resignation quietly." Why should he? Why not allow that she should just quietly accept her near-total failure in the office she held?
As to Florida continuing to be a laughing stock, if you want to blame someone, blame the Democrats in power in Broward and Palm Beach Counties. Those are the places where the fuck-ups have happened. The rest of the State doesn't seem to be any worse than any other State.
As to Pete Antonacci...maybe he'll suck. But the bar is so low right now that it's unlikely he'll be any worse than Snipes, imo. And if he does suck, the Broward County voters will be able to oust him in 2020. Hell, even if he does a good job, he'll still probably get ousted in 2020, because the Broward Dem Party will sure as hell run someone against him, just to get control of the office. Because that's what really matters...
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Post by nighttimer on Jan 10, 2019 18:29:17 GMT -5
I agree, I think Walker's ruling does look like a "bitch slap." But that doesn't make it right or sensible. He actually asserts that the suspension damaged Snipes' reputation. It is to laugh.
Laugh until your sides split, but since Walker is a judge, and you're just some guy who disagrees with his ruling, it does make it "right and sensible." He asserted the suspension/firing of Snipes damaged her rep and made a far more credible case for her than you have against her. It's obvious you can't stand Brenda Snipes. It's equally obvious she's more pleased by the judge siding with her than she is displeased that you side with Slick Rick Scott. Why should she? Why does she have to validate your contempt for her? Why do you have such a raging hard-on about Snipes when she had already submitted her resignation and not at Slick Rick for circumventing state law with his petty " You can't quit. I fired you!" bullshit? Why should she allow Voldemort Scott to punk her like that?
If Snipes was such a royal fuck-up for years, why did Slick Rick wait until he had one foot out the door to fire her? Why would Judge Walker reference the ruling made by another judge if it wasn't germane to the facts of this case? Scott tried to get with some douchebaggery and Judge Walker kicked that weak shit to the curb.
It was petty and it was vindictive and it was against the Fourteenth Amendment and Scott ended up being the one who got punked. Deal with it.
Ex-squeeze me? WTF were you in 2000? In a coma? If you wanna snark at somebody, go snark at Republican Jeb Bush who appointed Democrat Brenda Snipes. Why didn't you move to Broward, pull an Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and beat the stupid out of the four-time reelected incumbent? If Snipes is the fuck-up you say she is it should have been easy to dust her off. If the Dems of Broward County are so large and in charge, why did they suck so hard last November and kill their dreams?
Seems to me the Dems kick all kinds of ass in Broward County during state elections---sometimes---and come up real small when it comes to races with a national impact. Appreciate the exaggeration though. If your take is a totally unqualified hack like Antonacci can't be worse than Snipes, it's a weak one. Oh hey, don't look now, but your " I'm impartial and I condemn both sides equally" mask is slipping and your conservative Republican bias is showing. Must be from having an openly bigoted dickhead like Governator Ronny DeSantis saying and doing openly the foul shit Slick Rick at least tried to keep on the down low.
Meet the new racist. Same as the old racist.
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