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Post by robeiae on Jun 7, 2018 7:45:23 GMT -5
Samantha Bee explains why she called Ivanka Trump a "feckless cunt": O-kay, good defense... And she really didn't apologize for what she said; she blamed some people for getting upset over the insult.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 8:27:01 GMT -5
You know, I actually agree with the substantive point Bee was trying to make with the feckless comment: I found it absolutely grotesque and beyond tone-deaf that Ivanka tweeted that picture of herself cuddling her baby just as headlines were blaring about Trump's horrendous policy of separating migrant children from their parents. I felt a surge of rage when I saw that tweet, and wondered if Ivanka wasn't in fact trolling us. But in any case, ffs, as a mother, Ivanka should be urging her father not to continue with that policy. And I think that was what Bee meant.
BUT -- she NEVER should have put it that way. Taking aside how very distasteful I find that term, taking aside any arguments over whether Ivanka did or did not deserve it, it should have been patently obvious to Bee that by using the term, her (IMO perfectly valid) substantive point would be utterly lost.
It was wildly counterproductive, to say the very least. Quite unnecessarily so. And it's a goddamn shame. Because, yanno, Bee had a point.
As an aside, someone on Twitter asked Chelsea Clinton what she thought about the Tweet, and I liked her response:
We've got big, yuuuge issues we need to address, protest, yell about. The Trump machine is doing its best to create distractions from them. Let's not, the rest of us, create additional distractions.
ETA:
And puh-LEEZE with the people saying "oh, you shouldn't pick on the President's children." While I agree when it comes to underage kids (and even to some extent adult kids who are trying to lead a wholly private life and are doing nothing wrong--we can blame such adults for their own actions, but not the president's), Ivanka is part of her father's administration. I don't think we should call any woman a cunt, but she is a perfectly fair target for criticism on her father's policy.
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Post by robeiae on Jun 7, 2018 8:31:40 GMT -5
I don't really disagree, to some extent. But what got me was the reclamation stuff Bee is pedaling in her apology. Come on. Say it was a really poor choice of words and move on.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 8:57:19 GMT -5
I agree with that. Bee is making it worse. She should say, "poor choice of words, for which I apologize. The substantive point I meant to make was this." And then she should recognize that she has become a distraction, step back, and let others do the talking on this point.
FFS. If she'd called Ivanka a "feckless twit," I'd be backing her. The anger I understand. But throwing that loaded word around -- no. Nyet. Nein. Let's not.
All that said? I'm not particularly sympathetic, at all, to the pearl-clutching on the right about this. Not after the amount of ugly words bandied at the Clinton and Obama women (and little girls), or for that matter Nancy Pelosi, at which they whistled and shrugged.
I have a problem with throwing the word "cunt" at any woman, period.
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