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Post by Vince524 on Feb 2, 2019 18:06:29 GMT -5
He's now saying it's not him.
I'll have to check my yearbook, but I'm fairly sure there were no pictures of me in blackface or dressed as a KKK member in there.
Nope, just me with hair.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 18:14:37 GMT -5
Whether it was him or not, the fact that there was ever any hesitation about whether it COULD have been him says a lot. One thing I can tell you beyond any doubt whatsoever: I have NEVER worn blackface or a KKK hood; therefore, I can be confident that no such pictures of me exist. Nor did I hang out with people who, to my knowledge, ever wore blackface or a KKK hood.
It's time for him to resign and pass the mantle to his lieutenant governor.
And yeah, I know the GOP still has Steve King and others whose racist stuff is more recent (or current). I don't care. I want at least one major party to repudiate stuff like this in no uncertain terms. I'm happy to see a chorus of major Dem figures calling for his resignation.
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Post by prozyan on Feb 2, 2019 18:22:27 GMT -5
I find it telling that Northam was apologizing about the picture until calls for his resignation started coming in. Now its not him.
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Post by Vince524 on Feb 2, 2019 20:59:01 GMT -5
Another thing about the Northam pic. Does it occur to anyone else that there were 2 people in the picture, and a 3rd taking it. Plus, doesn't someone or several someone's put together the yearbook? Shouldn't someone have said.... "Uh... maybe this isn't a good idea."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 21:25:05 GMT -5
Yeah, this required a lot of douchebags. Or a few douchebags and a pile of cowards.
Someone on Twitter (a blue check, not an anonymous bot -- can't remember who it was) said that the yearbook in question was assembled entirely by students and the school itself had nothing to do with it. I hope that's right.
I'm so very tired of douchebags.
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Post by nighttimer on Feb 2, 2019 21:46:02 GMT -5
As regards Governor Northam's social faux pas fuck up:
If you didn't give a fuck about the "good people on both sides" bullshit when Trump spewed that shit about the neo-Nazis and White supremacist White Trash who murdered Heather Heyer, u can miss me with your sanctimonious, hypocritical bullshit. Don't wanna none of that.
If you didn't give a fuck when Donald John Trump and the "Blacks love me" became the 45th Resident of the UnUnited States of Amerikka and all the White supremacist endorsements he earned, u can miss me with your sanctimonious, hypocritical bullshit. Don't need none o' that either.
If you didn't give a fuck when Donald John Trump and his bought-and-paid bobblehead both dragged Barack Obama as an outsider, an unfit usurper, and a fake, fraudulent hustler who lied about where he was born, then yes, you can miss me with your sanctimonious, hypocritical bullshit.
And if you think Governor Northam is anything but the fruit of a bipartisan poisoned treee where Dems and Repubs take turns clowning, mocking and dogging out Black people, u can miss me with all of your sanctimonious, hypocritical bullshit and oh, by the way, FUCK YOU VERY MUCH.
There's nothing to debate. There is no statue of limitations for ignorant, bigoted behavior. Ralph Northam should definitely be the immediate former governor of Virginia, but singling him out as a bad example doesn't make all White People good ones.
Racism thrives not because Blacks keeping harping on it but because Whites don't realize how they enable it and assist it in continuing to thrive. George Wallace is dead. Lester Maddox is dead. Strom Thurmond, James Eastland, Theodore Bilbo, Byron de la Beckwith, and Bull Connor are all dead, dead, DEAD. Deader than disco. Dead as fuck.
But racism didn't die with them. It not only lives even to this day, it thrives because there is a straight line from Northman's blackface then and Covington Catholic now.
And if you don't see the correlation, then you're no different, no better and just as culpable as they are. Enjoy the smug confidence you're more enlightened than they are. Then ask yourself, "What have I done to kill my own racism and that of the people in my life?"
I hope you sleep well with the answer.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 8:04:08 GMT -5
I agree that it is incredibly fucking galling to see shrieking and condemnation of Northam from people who've been silent with regard to or downright supportive of conservatives with similar issues.
However, I got some bitter amusement out of watching a few conservatives on twitter come out just a bit too soon with "Democrats don't actually care about this kind of behavior--they just bash conservatives!" -- and then, when it became clear that Democrats DO care, backtracking with "well, you know, as I've been thinking it through, it was a long time ago and boys will be boys..."
I feel the way I did when Franken resigned while Trump and the GOP were actively supporting the likes of Roy Moore. It pisses me off, but I don't want to sink to the lowest common denominator.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 8:17:09 GMT -5
Yet another reason Tom Nichols is one of my favorite conservatives:
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Post by nighttimer on Feb 5, 2019 8:48:53 GMT -5
Why is it that living, warm human beings who happen to be women have less rights than killing cold steel?
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Post by robeiae on Feb 5, 2019 9:04:23 GMT -5
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Post by nighttimer on Feb 5, 2019 10:23:51 GMT -5
If Northam and Fairfax are screwed it's because Northam screwed himself and Fairfax is being screwed. Anyone who can't see how this is not divine coincidence as much as it is a smear job is high.
There are few things more revolting than conservatives who haven't demanded Steve "What's wrong with White supremacy" King resign or Cindy "Daughter of the Confederacy" Hyde-Smith resign or Donald "Shithole Countries" Trump resign to be all in their feelings now and demanding Northam resign. Paying lip service to how offended they are by Northam's bigoted brain cramp while shrugging off the even worse acts of their own is what makes conservatives the worst group to tut-tut-tut an act of liberal racism.
I would prefer Northam go rather than stay, but if the right can ignore the rotten racism of King, Hyde-Smith and Trump, I'm not going to take to the streets for the sake of a feel-good purging of a liberal heretic. If they don't go, neither should he. Conservatives should have a nice hot cup of Shut the Fuck Up until they rid themselves of their own racist dirtbags.
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Post by Vince524 on Feb 5, 2019 13:02:39 GMT -5
It's a mess. Northam could be forced out. Those pictures are damning. It's a little hard to buy that he didn't know it wasn't him. I might have trouble remembering each and every costume I've worn for Halloween (Offhand, I can think of clown, Gene Simmons of KISS, pregnant lady, a nun, Fred Flintstone, a cheerleader, a ghoul, vampire, a prostitute, and a few comic book heroes.) But I can't imagine not remembering something like that. And Some of those costumes were from when I was a kid. (I was a pregnant lady back when I was in Catholic school, and my Mom made me wear a wedding ring. The head nun thought it was hilarious.) TBH, while it's despicable, and he wasn't a kid, I would be able to deal with it more if he just owned it and said he thinks the KKK or black face is wrong, but in college he had a stupid sense of humor. Wouldn't he have complained back then if someone put pictures like that as him for his yearbook? As far as Fairfax is concerned, as the article linked points out, these allegations are already more credible then the ones against Kavanaugh. We know something happened, he was there. The question comes down to credibility. I don't know of any reason to doubt either person's credibility here. Something may come out soon that tilts it. The timing is troubling, but as the article Rob pointed out, it sounds like she didn't wait until now.
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Post by robeiae on Feb 6, 2019 8:18:30 GMT -5
Another thing about the Northam pic. Does it occur to anyone else that there were 2 people in the picture, and a 3rd taking it. Plus, doesn't someone or several someone's put together the yearbook? Shouldn't someone have said.... "Uh... maybe this isn't a good idea." Yearbook investigation: www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/northam-blackface-scandal-yearbook-staff-disagree-whether-photo-was-mix-n967636FWIW, I think it's Northam. And I think there's a fair possibility that his "explanation," wherein he says that's not him though he does remember dressing up as Michael Jackson and wearing blackface once, actually tells the tale: that is him and he's dressed up as Michael Jackson, circa 1983/84. Because Jackson did wear hats like that, did wear bow ties on occasion, and did wear loud clothes.
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Post by robeiae on Feb 6, 2019 16:35:46 GMT -5
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Post by robeiae on Feb 6, 2019 17:12:26 GMT -5
Yeaaahh...Fairfax is in real trouble. His accuser has made a statement, it's quite coherent, and under the rubric of "believe all survivors" he doesn't have a lot of wiggle room, given that he's admitted to the encounter, if not the assault. More on his accuser: www.scrippscollege.edu/academics/faculty/profile/vanessa-tysonA tenured professor with multiple advanced degrees, this is not someone who lacks credibility in my view (not unlike Christine Ford).
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