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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 17:09:54 GMT -5
*yawn*I've watched a bit of the hearings, as much as I can stand. Here's my point of view: I'm not really learning much of anything I didn't know/suspect before Cohen's testimony. And I include in this all of Cohen's personal takes on Trump. Trump is an egomaniacal narcissist, a grifter, a sleazebag, a womanizer (and then some), a guy who uses lawyers and the legal system to not only get over on others but to also cover his own ass. That's what he was when he ran for President and before. That's what he still is today. But people (Repubs) willingly voted for him to be the nominee, then willingly voted for him to be President. They either didn't care about the above stuff, were willfully blind to it, or told themselves he was still better than Clinton, imo. Elections still have consequences, though. Trump is the rightful President and I think will continue to be such until the next election, when he may very well lose. How many breathless oh-my-god-Trump-is-in-real-trouble-now moments have there been since the election (and a little before, really)? Seriously, because I've lost count. You might remember that Watergate didn't happen overnight. As a matter of fact, this hasn't been going on nearly as long. That said, given the number of cowardly sheep and/or corrupt turds currently inhabiting GOP congress critter offices, I am not confident of a political solution. I am more confident he's going to lose in 2020, and ultimately spend some time in prison with his pals Manafort, Stone, et al.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 17:13:52 GMT -5
Jesus fucking Christ, celawson. We do not all agree with your parade of good -- as a matter of fact, some of it is fucking idiotic (the VA stuff, for example, which his administration has fucked up yuuuugely), or horrendous (the fucking wall and everything to do with his migrant policy and state of emergency). I could go down your entire goddamn list, as a matter of fact, and tell you why I disagree with it. As a matter of fact, I have done so, and often.
But take that aside. He. Is. A. Fucking. Crook. And a chronic liar and an affirmatively bad person who makes the whole country look bad and is doing incalculable harm to our norms, and values.
Once upon a time, conservatives thought that shit mattered. Now you just throw around "MAGA" and "triggered!" and think you own the libs.
(To be fair, some conservatives still think that shit matters. They're called the NeverTrumpers. However, I suppose you call them RINOs and cucks. You certainly seem to have the Trumpian lingo down. MAGA!)
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Post by nighttimer on Feb 27, 2019 18:11:29 GMT -5
Hi, NT. I just saw your post, I have to run to work. But I will say this: I'm posting MAGA only to bug Cass and Mark. Yes, I'm trolling. If you'd been called a hypocrite as many times, you might put something at the end of your posts, too. I know Trump lies, and I know he has affairs, but I haven't seen any evidence thus far of serious illegal wrongdoing that makes me concerned about our country. I don't give a rat's behind about his personal life and affairs. That's his and Melania's private business. What I am concerned about is our country, and Trump has done very much that I agree with here, and to me, that's much more important than his marital infidelity or that he uses tax loopholes in his business like any other billionaire out there. As I've said before, if serious legal wrongdoings come to light, I'm not going to deny them. But thus far? It's all a game by Trump haters to take him down any way they can. Even if it's embarrassing him to death with the likes of Michael Cohen and a public congressional hearing. So let's wait and see what comes of this. I think much less will come of this than you here are hoping for. The likes of Michael Cohen was hired by Donald Trump and represented him for a decade. That speaks to his judgment and ability to assess character. The only way this Congressional hearing is embarrassing Trump to death is if he's embarrassed by someone who knows his character as well as Cohen does.
You may not care about Trump's personal life and his affairs, but his personal life matters when it comes to his current position. A man who will cheat on his pregnant wife will cheat on anyone. A man who will pay thousands of dollars to his side chicks will be willing to accept thousands and millions of dollars from Russian banks and oligarchs. A man who lies to his wife and instructs his attorney to do the same will lie to the American people about everything to the size of his inauguration crowd to whether he knew Russian operatives were meeting with his idiot son and campaign manager.
Marital infidelity is a private matter between spouses, but it speaks volumes about how unscrupulous a man like Trump or Bill Clinton can me and how little they care about the vows they have made to their wives. Character matters. It mattered with Clinton then and it matters with Trump now. Had Barack Obama behaved with his wife and other women the way Trump has, it would matter quite a lot to you, and I don't believe you can make a credible argument it wouldn't.
Trump only cares about his business and his brand. He doesn't care for his wife and he doesn't care for his family and he doesn't care about his friends. He definitely does not care about this country. All he cares about is maintaining the lie that he is smarter, more savvy and is playing three dimensional chess and pay no attention to all the contractors and small businessmen he stiffed, the people of color he's denigrated, the women he's groped and assaulted, and the Russian banks who wrote him checks when no American bank would give him a dollar because six bankruptcies tend to make you a shitty risk for a loan.
I am that Trump Hater and damn proud to be one. Any politician who courts White supremacists can not charm me. He's not my president and never will be. He's all yours and anyone else who will nod and wink and shrug and ignore the naked, blatant and factually established RACISM of Donald John Trump and his dead and gone daddy. You're welcome to him because Trump is like bleach: good for whites; bad for coloreds.
Your president is a racist, celawson. Now tell me you don't care about that either.
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Post by celawson on Feb 27, 2019 18:11:58 GMT -5
Who said the list was everyone’s? Or yours? I was asked what I thought he was doing that is good for our country. I. Me. c.e lawson. So I answered.
Sometimes in your zeal to make me look idiotic and wrong, you miss the obvious.
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Post by celawson on Feb 27, 2019 18:18:19 GMT -5
NT do you agree that it is good for blacks to have increased employment under Trump? And that part of this is directly due to his administrations policies?
Do you agree that we spend a lot of money on illegal immigrants? Think of all the government subsidized services many of them use. And that the homeless population in Los Angeles consists of something like 40 percent black?
Do you think we should take care of our own citizens like our homeless before we spend millions on those who enter our country illegally?
I do. Trump does
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 18:41:39 GMT -5
Gee, ce, I don't want to answer for NT, but I'm guessing he's more focused on the way Trump supports white supremacists.
I'd agree with that, and I'm also more worried about, say, shit like this:
For example. Or how many in his immediate circle have been indicted/convicted/confessed to crimes. Or his cuddling up to Putin. Or...
And I don't know how many times you need to be told that neither of us agrees with you, in any regard, with regard to Trump's border/migrant policy. In fact, we think it's horrifying. So no. Fuck no.
I'll tell you what, how about if, instead of giving corporations and the wealthy billions in tax breaks and incentives, we use that money to spend on the homeless? (Speaking of which, I did worse than last year on my taxes. So did most of my friends who've done their taxes so far, and in particular in the lower brackets.) Has it occurred to you that if we took the money Trump would spend on building, maintaining, and staffing the wall -- let alone all the lawsuits he's going to have to combat from people on the border who don't want to give up their land -- we could do better for both migrants AND the homeless?
I notice that for all your handwringing in the AOC thread about going off track and bringing up Trump, you have no problem derailing this one about the Cohen testimony to talk about all the awesome things you think Trump has done (LOOK! SQUIRREL!) Just like I notice for all your pearl clutching about Mark and I being "childish" for pointing out your hypocrisy, you gleefully tried your sad little best to "trigger" Mark and I -- only seriously, all it was was pathetic, because you were emulating those for whom I have nothing but contempt. If that's your bag, I guess it is. But it never ceases to amazes me that you seem to think you have the high ground.
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Post by celawson on Feb 27, 2019 19:03:29 GMT -5
Again, you’re reaching reeeaallly far to make me seem idiotic and wrong. Like — I’m going OFF TRACK about Trump in a thread that’s about Trump. Hahahaha. Ok.
Or, I’m answering questions others ask me about Trump, and I’m going off track. Okaaay
Seriously, we should be able to discuss something without it getting all insulty and personal. Why is that so difficult? Half the country is blue and half is red. Well, I know why it’s so difficult. Which is so deliciously ironic given how often Trump is accused of being mean and coarse and authoritarian.
One could even say it’s hypocritical...
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Post by nighttimer on Feb 27, 2019 19:27:04 GMT -5
NT do you agree that it is good for blacks to have increased employment under Trump? And that part of this is directly due to his administrations policies? That's not answering my question, celawson, but I'll be a gentleman and answer yours. Trust me that we'll get back to mine.
It's good there are more Blacks are enjoying increased employment under Trump. However, your second question does not logically follow the first one. Policies, you say? WHAT policies, I say? What were the policies of the Trump Administration that directly lowered Black unemployment?
But wait--there's more!
As far as how well Black folks have done under Trump, here's another fun fact for you, celawson. Black Americans make up 12% of the population, but 18% of the federal government workforce, which means when your hero shutdown the government over his border wall, who do you think got disproportionately hurt by it?
Start a GoFund me campaign to pay your rent? According to some of the folks in the Trump Administration and right here who called it "professional panhandling", these Black folks just don't know how to save their money and tough it through tough times brought about by a man-baby with a mushroom penis throwing a temper tantrum.
If that's your idea of how to make America great, it sucks.
But who cares about them, right?
I have seen nothing from Trump and his administration to indicate he wants to take the money spent on illegal immigrants to be redirected to taking care of our citizens. If you have, here's your opportunity to enlighten me.
You're presenting me with a false choice. It's not an either/or situation. If it were the money that's wasted by the Pentagon or given to the wealthy in the form of a tax cut they didn't need could be better spent on taking care of our own citizens AND securing the border to control illegal immigration.
I've answered your questions and now it's time for you to return the favor.
Your president is a racist, celawson. Now tell me you don't care about that either.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 19:36:29 GMT -5
You are bad at irony, c.e.
Also bad at logic and consistency. Amusing that you apparently divide threads into "about Trump" and "not about Trump", not recognizing that threads relating to Trump, him being president, are going to run a pretty wide gamut. But it does explain why you think it's on track to go off on Trump's various super-duper accomplishments in any thread that touches on him.
I actually don't give a damn about derails, as a rule. But, e.g., asking NT how he feels about Trump's job record for black Americans in a thread about Cohen's testimony is one, for the record.
Anyway. Back to the Cohen hearing. The ever glorious Popehat had a pretty hilarious tweet thread giving a pro critique to the GOP congress critters who questioned Cohen.
Mark, you in particular will enjoy it. Click on it for the whole thread.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 23:29:18 GMT -5
Btw, since AOC comes in for so much bashing here..
AOC may still have a lot to learn in many ways, but quite frankly, she kicked some ass today. Clean, straightforward questions that open up several fruitful avenues for investigation.
Check out @cspan’s Tweet:
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Post by prozyan on Feb 27, 2019 23:30:25 GMT -5
Your boy Trump is going down. Oh, not today, not just because of this, but this will surely be part of it. E TA: Really, truly -- can you not see how bad this is for Trump? Really? Trump will make it through this term. And, if by some miracle he is re-elected, he'll make it through his second term. But as soon as he is out of office....the dude is fucked. Royally. He might as well pray he dies in office. As for Cohen....he's a damn liar who lies and you know he's lying because his lips are moving. I know Mark would love to have him on the stand as a witness for the defense. I also pretty much believe everything he said about Trump because Trump is a damn liar who lies and you know he's lying because his lips are moving. Cohen isn't what most people would refer to as a reliable narrator but I also don't think he really said anything about Trump that most people don't think or suspect. Like Mark and Cass, I have no idea why the rank and file of the GOP continue to line up behind Trump. I can't wrap my head around it. If the GOP continues to move this far right, I'm going to be a liberal soon. And I don't think MY politics have changed much over the last few years.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 9:36:35 GMT -5
I've been enjoying watching clips. Sometimes when they are isolated, the stupid and the ludicrous stand out more. (One trouble with this administration is that there's so much stupid, ludicrous, and appalling, it's easy to miss a lot of it or get numb to it.)
Like, right here is a prime bit of stupid that deserves to be highlighted. Clay Higgins might be the dumbest man alive. Jesus. (No, ce, this line of questioning doesn't exonerate Trump. It doesn't devastate Cohen. And it doesn't make any Democrats look bad.)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 9:42:13 GMT -5
Benjamin Wittes for the win (though it's deputy finance chair): It was, what, a year ago Cohen was the GOP's deputy finance chair and Trump's consigliere? Something like that? Life comes at you fast in Trumpworld.
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Post by nighttimer on Feb 28, 2019 9:43:59 GMT -5
AOC bashing is a fun sport for the righties. Everyone from gum-snapping White trash nutcases to smug, feckless mama's boys who exchanged a bow tie for a swastika armband are down for it, but the more they cry the less she cares. To be sure, Ocasio-Cortez does have an unfortunate weakness for being glib and not fully thinking things through before hitting "send" or stepping to the mic.
Well done AOC. Roseanne B. and Tucker C. can suck it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 9:44:31 GMT -5
Brave, brave soul, hiding beyond anonymity to say the obvious:
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