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Post by prozyan on Mar 14, 2019 10:36:30 GMT -5
We're going to learn with Beto that if he is prepared for questions he will be very impressive.
If he has to think on the fly, he is going to look like a bumbling idiot.
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Post by Don on Mar 14, 2019 10:46:20 GMT -5
Poor guy has to live in a 114-year-old home. No wonder he's a champion of the disadvantaged.
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Post by robeiae on Mar 15, 2019 8:35:00 GMT -5
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Post by Optimus on Mar 15, 2019 11:01:34 GMT -5
Eh..."interesting," sure. I do agree with them that Beto needs to start doing a much better job of outlining clear policy positions, but we still have a year before most of the primaries, and he just declared yesterday, so I'll extend him a little leeway. There are plenty successful politicians who started out without having clearly stated positions on a range of policies. Warren, for example, started out with virtually no distinguishable policy positions other than "Scott Brown bad. Credit Card companies bad. I'm a Harvard professor." The abstruseness of Beto's positions would be a problem 6 months from now, but right now I can't get too worked up about it because most of these candidates will twist and contort their positions between now and November 2020 to match however the political winds are blowing at the time anyway. If he hasn't stated anything concrete in the next couple of weeks, then he'll be more worthy of criticism.
Overall, though, given that The Daily Beast is pretty much just "Salon-lite" in terms of their unbearable far-leftist hot takes on everything, I don't really give that article much weight.
"Why isn't Beto being criticized in the same way that Elizabeth Warren has been? I mean, sure she's publicly embarrassed herself at least 2 or 3 times now, and said incredibly stupid things like, 'the entire criminal justice system is racist' in an obvious, cynical attempt to score wokeness points...but...I mean...come on! Criticize Beto too because reasons! Ooh, what about 'white male privilege! That's always a good one!"
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Post by robeiae on Mar 15, 2019 12:22:12 GMT -5
No doubt, the writer is operating from a far-left point of view. But...Beto did manage to give Cruz a run for his money in Texas, by basically being anti-Trump. And I don't know about you, but I'm seeing a lot giddiness over Beto on social media from my liberal-esque friends, as if he's the answer to everyone's anti-Trump prayers. So I'm a little surprised, actually, that Beto is catching this kind of heat from the far left. I kinda assumed his relative youth, looks, and "hipness" was sufficient cover, ala Ocasio-Cortez, that would carry him into primary season with ease.
That said, I think Beto--at this point in time--has a much better chance to beat Trump in the GE than does Warren, Sanders, and most of the other declared Dems. Because being anti-Trump with fuzzy positions is generally better than being anti-Trump with idiotic (obviously, imo) positions, at least when it comes to the GE.
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Post by Don on Mar 15, 2019 15:08:40 GMT -5
Given the expanding field, I look for a repeat from the dems of what we saw from the reps in 2016. Moderate votes will be split all over the place, but the far left will pick a champion to rally behind, the rest of the dems, although hating it, will "take one for the team," and voters will end up with two equally vile choices in the 2020 GE, both dedicated to gross expansion of central authority and loss of individual choice.
I really, really hope I'm wrong, but I'm not putting money on it.
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Post by Optimus on Mar 15, 2019 15:20:10 GMT -5
No doubt, the writer is operating from a far-left point of view. But...Beto did manage to give Cruz a run for his money in Texas, by basically being anti-Trump. And I don't know about you, but I'm seeing a lot giddiness over Beto on social media from my liberal-esque friends, as if he's the answer to everyone's anti-Trump prayers. So I'm a little surprised, actually, that Beto is catching this kind of heat from the far left. I kinda assumed his relative youth, looks, and "hipness" was sufficient cover, ala Ocasio-Cortez, that would carry him into primary season with ease. That said, I think Beto--at this point in time--has a much better chance to beat Trump in the GE than does Warren, Sanders, and most of the other declared Dems. Because being anti-Trump with fuzzy positions is generally better than being anti-Trump with idiotic (obviously, imo) positions, at least when it comes to the GE. It's because he's a white male which is now the "Great Satan" in the Church of Social Justice's woke fundamentalist doctrine. If he were female, I imagine some far lefty would still complain that "yeah, but she's still white." If he were a POC, imagine some far lefty would still complain that, "yeah, but he isn't LGBTQ+." Gay? "He's not trans." Etc, etc., etc. I'm currently leaning more toward Andrew Yang, even though I don't think he has much hope. But, if it were Yang/O'Rourke or O'Rourke/Yang? Shut up and take my vote.
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Post by Vince524 on Mar 15, 2019 21:10:24 GMT -5
For the record, I'm still voting for the meteor.
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Post by Don on Mar 16, 2019 5:47:42 GMT -5
Oops.The exerpt: Sounds like he's got the exactly the vision and empathy it takes to make a president. Most of 'em do a better job of disguising it during the campaign, though.
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Post by markesq on Mar 17, 2019 14:40:37 GMT -5
If we're judging candidates by fiction they wrote then, well, I'm fucked. I know the world is weird right now, but I'm hoping voters can distinguish between fact and fiction.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 15:49:41 GMT -5
I mean, Mark writes murder mysteries and has written books with a sociopath as a protagonist. Clearly, he's evil, amirite?
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Post by Optimus on Mar 17, 2019 15:55:01 GMT -5
Yeah, I think digging up a piece of creative fiction someone wrote 30 years ago as a teenager and trying to pretend like it matters today is even more stupid than when the mobs on Twitter dig up tweets from a decade ago and try to smear someone with them. A more interesting question is whether O'Rourke is going to be President Psychedelic Warlord of the Cult of the Dead Cow.
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Post by mikey on Mar 17, 2019 16:09:31 GMT -5
"Buff my balls" O'Rourke for President! Yeah, nobody will make that connection. Good luck buff.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 16:36:58 GMT -5
Yeah, I think digging up a piece of creative fiction someone wrote 30 years ago as a teenager and trying to pretend like it matters today is even more stupid than when the mobs on Twitter dig up tweets from a decade ago and try to smear someone with them. A more interesting question is whether O'Rourke is going to be President Psychedelic Warlord of the Cult of the Dead Cow. , If so, hell, he has my vote.
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Post by markesq on Mar 18, 2019 12:14:03 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me why he apologized for making a joke?? Beto O'Rourke said Friday night that he had been wrong for joking at several events in his first two days campaigning in Iowa that his wife has been raising their three children "sometimes with my help." ( From CNN.) I make this joke ALL the time at book signings, in large part because it's true. No one has ever called me sexist or called me out for saying it, so what am I missing?
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