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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 16:04:39 GMT -5
Ditto here, and the buzz on him is growing by the day. I'm not so sure he's going to lose out to anyone. The progressives who are solely about the "I want someone who isn't a straight white guy" may be placated by the fact that he's openly gay, and I think his progressive chops are sufficient. There's also the fact that he's openly a person of faith which could go over well with moderates and independents who fear a godless extremist. And his faith is not piously offputting to this atheist (as is that of too many on the right). I've seen anti-Trump conservatives online saying surprisingly nice things about him. He could be 2020's Obama. But it's early days. I'm still pretty open minded about everyone but Tulsi Gabbard and Bernie. Please, please, please don't make me vote for one of them (which I will have to do if they are the Dem candidate and thus the only shot of beating Trump). He's also an Afghanistan war veteran, which should appeal to right-leaning moderates and more centrist conservatives. He also speaks multiple languages, which should impress us snobby, intellectual elitists and those concerned with his ability to establish warm relations with international leaders. As much as I like Yang, I don't feel he's as much of a "total package" as Buttigieg. To me, he's everything O'Rourke tries to be, but he's actually successful at it. Yep. And on top of him having all kinds of factors that could appeal to different factions on left and center, he's waayy smart, compassionate, and I think he'd be a good president, from what I've seen. I'm pretty excited about him. I hope I continue to be (since it is still early days).
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Post by prozyan on Mar 29, 2019 11:47:37 GMT -5
I can get on the Buttigieg-is-an-intriguing-candidate bandwagon.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 12:27:45 GMT -5
I can get on the Buttigieg-is-an-intriguing-candidate bandwagon. From a center-right person, that's very encouraging news. Though I think you are definitely center now, from what I can gather from your positions taken here. Frankly, taking the current spectrum as a whole, with apparently one third of the country alt-right, you might now be a bit left of center! But yeah, in a sane world, you'd likely count as a bit right of center, though not drastically so, IMO. Alas, we are not in a sane world. The day I count you as right of center will be the day we've returned to normal. Let's hope it's soon.
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Post by robeiae on Mar 29, 2019 18:52:43 GMT -5
Say it ain't so, Joe!The author of the piece is Lucy Flores, who was running for Lt. Governor at the time of the incident.
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Post by Optimus on Mar 29, 2019 18:58:55 GMT -5
Gee, what suspicious convenient timing.
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Post by robeiae on Mar 29, 2019 20:18:12 GMT -5
For sure. I've been looking for some more info on her, to see how far to the left she is. She endorsed Sanders in the last cycle, I think. Here's her website: www.lucyflores.com/from-my-perspective/She seems fairly progressive, so I think it's easy to see an agenda on her part. That said, the story doesn't ring "manufactured" to me. I think Biden is kinda old school on stuff like this (it's not the first incident of these sort); he's the older guy who thinks his flirtiness is fun and endearing as a matter of course. And it probably is, for a lot of people.
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Post by Optimus on Mar 30, 2019 17:24:52 GMT -5
That said, the story doesn't ring "manufactured" to me. I think Biden is kinda old school on stuff like this (it's not the first incident of these sort); he's the older guy who thinks his flirtiness is fun and endearing as a matter of course. And it probably is, for a lot of people. Oh, no doubt. The "Creepy Uncle Joe" stories have been floating around for years, largely ignored by the media for reasons unknown. I just meant that I find the timing of this "revelation" to be wholly unsurprising, given the trends for Democrat candidates during this cycle. It's so paint-by-numbers or "multiple choice exam format" at this point, that you can almost set your watch to it. "_________ is about to announce his/her candidacy for President and, even though it didn't seem to bother me much or seem important at the time, I now have, suddenly and coincidentally, remembered that I'm extremely offended that _____________." Please select the best answer from the choices below: A) Bernie Sanders; someone on his staff harassed someone a few years ago, therefore he's basically a sexual harasser/rapist by association and shouldn't run. B) Amy Klobuchar; she was mean to some of her interns/staff a few years ago, and even threw stuff a few times, therefore she's basically a psychotic, toxic, abusive bully and shouldn't run. C) Elizabeth Warren; she wrote "Native American" on her Texas Bar Association application a few years ago, therefore she's basically a white, colonialist, cultural appropriator and shouldn't run. D) Joe Biden; even though he's been creepy for years, he did something creepy to me a few years ago, therefore he's basically Harvey Weinstein and shouldn't run. E) All of the above
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Post by Don on Mar 31, 2019 5:03:30 GMT -5
I'm all for ramping up these "holier than thou" purity tests. Eventually people will figure out that their "leaders" are all psychopaths and stop waiting for them to "lead" us over another cliff.
I find it amazing that people will vote for politicians they wouldn't let babysit their child or trust with their bookkeeping.
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Post by robeiae on Mar 31, 2019 8:29:47 GMT -5
For the record, I'd have let both Obama and Bush babysit my children.
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Post by Don on Mar 31, 2019 8:41:17 GMT -5
Obama would be fine, as long as he promised not to weaponize my kids' drones.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2019 9:42:32 GMT -5
For the record, I'd have let both Obama and Bush babysit my children. I'd let either of them take my nieces and nephews on an outing. And you know, I think feeling like I wouldn't be concerned about theoretically leaving kids I love with them for a day is a pretty minimal standard. I wouldn't require that the children have fun, though I think they would have fun with either Barack or George -- merely that I wouldn't fear the kids would be exposed to words and actions that would make me shudder. Y'all know who I would never let babysit... I definitely do not demand moral perfection in a candidate, but I want a certain base level of decency and self-control. I'm keeping my ears and mind open on the Biden stuff. Her story is credible and definitely weird. It does seem odd it never seems to have surfaced before, given how long he's been in the forefront of the national public eye, but I'm listening. I don't need a saint, but I don't want another creeper in the oval office. (If it's between that level of creeper versus Trump, though... uh, yeah, I'll take the lesser creeper.) ETA: Would also think a minimal baseline is "doesn't cheat when playing games"...
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Post by Vince524 on Mar 31, 2019 14:30:25 GMT -5
I'd have no issue with either Obama or GWB with my kids. In fact, I'd enjoy a chance to talk with them as well.
I wouldn't want Trump anywhere near my girls.
Biden either. Despite the fact that he's clean and articulate.
The thing about Biden is he's been a leading proponent on expelling male students for behavior that's unproven and far less creepy than what he's alleged to have done. He's the first to talk about 'believing' the woman and affirmative consent for any sort of contact. I know quite a few moms that are really enjoying this moment.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2019 16:46:10 GMT -5
I'd have no issue with either Obama or GWB with my kids. In fact, I'd enjoy a chance to talk with them as well. I wouldn't want Trump anywhere near my girls. Biden either. Despite the fact that he's clean and articulate. The thing about Biden is he's been a leading proponent on expelling male students for behavior that's unproven and far less creepy than what he's alleged to have done. He's the first to talk about 'believing' the woman and affirmative consent for any sort of contact. I know quite a few moms that are really enjoying this moment. Vince, I don't yet have a position on whether I think Biden did this or not; the woman sounds credible, and yes, it sounds creepy, but I want to know a little more before I decide what I think. So this is not a defense of Biden on that front. But I do have to note that I find your take on Biden, at least at first blush, a bit inconsistent with your general take that men can be victims of false accusations and therefore one shouldn't just automatically believe allegations made against men. Is there a reason you believe these allegations against Biden, but not other unproven allegations against male students? Is there a reason you find allegations of hair sniffing (which yes, is indeed creepy) creepier than allegations of sexual assault? To note, as a woman, I'd be a bit freaked out by the hair sniffing, but far more upset if someone grabbed my breast or butt, let alone tried to rape me. ETA: That said, I've had people, including colleagues, sniff my hair and ask what my conditioner is. (mostly when I use this stuff, which smells awesome: m.sephora.com/product/caviar-cc-cream-for-hair-10-in-1-complete-correction-P378716 ) I guess in my particular contexts, I have not found it creepy, though I do think the incident this woman describes sounds creepy.
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Post by Vince524 on Mar 31, 2019 19:06:17 GMT -5
He IS innocent until proven guilty. That wasn't my point. If you apply the rules to his behavior that he has openly advocated to college males, then he's violated them.
Do I think he deserves the presumption of innocence? Sure, everyone does. That doesn't mean the irony is lost on me, or others.
Here's an exchange I had with a lawyer on Twitter.
So to be clear, it's not that I don't think he doesn't deserve the presumption of innocence in this case, but it rubs me the wrong way to hear him want it. In addition, I don't like him for other reasons. Based on many of the things he's said on this issue alone. Plus, he tends to be an idiot. Is he as bad as Trump? Of course not. Doesn't mean I don't find all of his grabbyness creepy. Is it hard for me, when he's been such an openent of basic fairness, to give him that benifit of the doubt? A little. I admitted that in the exchange. But that's on me. His words opposing fairness is on him.
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Post by Vince524 on Mar 31, 2019 19:25:04 GMT -5
www.meetpete.org/Here's something on Pete Buttigieg that someone sent me on Twitter. I haven't had a chance to really look at it much as it seems to be all videos. I'd do better reading his policy positions.
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