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Post by Vince524 on Mar 14, 2019 12:12:50 GMT -5
Captain Marvel, which has already passed $500 Million in ticket sales, has had a little bit of controversy.
Part of it may be due to star Brie Larson's comments, not wanting to have 40 year old white dudes telling her what to think of A Wrinkle in Time, and that she wanted a diverse media coverage.
Maybe in part, because originally she was a he, but I believe they made that change back in the comics years ago.
Stop reading here to avoid spoilers.
So in the film itself,obviously Captain Marvel is the hero and she's a woman. The 2nd most notable good guy character is Samuel L. Jackson as a younger version of Nick Fury. We see white male character Phil Coulson, but he plays a very small role. There are other heroic secondary characters, a black female, and a white woman. Most of the aliens are non human colors, but while the ones we think are the bad guys have a greenish devil look to them, they're not. So there is no white male hero center stage. To which I say, so what?
There's nothing in the film that says White Males are bad or the enemy.
I saw the movie this Tuesday with daughter #2 who is my resident nerd. We both agreed, it was pretty good. We enjoyed it. Loved the action, humor, effects, etc. Great back story. Can't wait to see her in Avengers End Game
I don't remember there being this much controversy with Wonder Woman (So far, the best of the DC movies from the current installments. I consider the Christian Bale movies separate)
Any thoughts?
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Post by mikey on Mar 14, 2019 12:55:03 GMT -5
There are other heroic secondary characters, a black female, and a white woman. Any thoughts? Curious Vince, why not say "black woman and white woman" or "black female and white female"?
The way it's written, it looks like female and woman are different things or something.
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Post by Vince524 on Mar 14, 2019 12:58:10 GMT -5
Actually, I should have reversed that. Black woman and white female would have been more accurate.
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Post by mikey on Mar 14, 2019 13:27:05 GMT -5
Actually, I should have reversed that. Black woman and white female would have been more accurate. Actually Vince, I was asking a sincere question, but I'll respect your desire to keep your reasons to yourself. Cheerios
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Post by Vince524 on Mar 14, 2019 14:33:34 GMT -5
Originally there was not thought behind it. But the response was also sincere, however you have to see the movie to understand why.
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Post by prozyan on Mar 14, 2019 14:54:53 GMT -5
I don't remember there being this much controversy with Wonder Woman (So far, the best of the DC movies from the current installments. I consider the Christian Bale movies separate) Any thoughts? There was a decent amount of controversy when some theaters decided to hold women-only screenings of Wonder Woman. That said, outrage is currently the drug of choice in American society.
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Post by Don on Mar 14, 2019 14:55:54 GMT -5
mikey, vince is a writerly type, and they learn to change up descriptors automatically to avoid repetition. I do it all the time, too.
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Post by robeiae on Mar 14, 2019 16:01:55 GMT -5
I didn't know there was any controversy around Captain Marvel. I haven't seen any. I've seen a few posts on FB from people telling off everyone who is upset about a female lead in a superhero movie, but I don't actually see anyone being upset. Seems like "war on Christmas" outrage, to me. Most everyone is going to see the movie because they want to, or not going because they don't. Shocking stuff.
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Post by mikey on Mar 14, 2019 18:28:12 GMT -5
mikey, vince is a writerly type, and they learn to change up descriptors automatically to avoid repetition. I do it all the time, too. Thanks Don, I'm not always the sharpest tool in the woodshed. Shocking, I know
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Post by Vince524 on Mar 14, 2019 18:28:26 GMT -5
I don't remember there being this much controversy with Wonder Woman (So far, the best of the DC movies from the current installments. I consider the Christian Bale movies separate) Any thoughts? There was a decent amount of controversy when some theaters decided to hold women-only screenings of Wonder Woman. That said, outrage is currently the drug of choice in American society. Yeah, but that was outrage over the screenings, not the movie itself.
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Post by Vince524 on Mar 14, 2019 18:29:39 GMT -5
I didn't know there was any controversy around Captain Marvel. I haven't seen any. I've seen a few posts on FB from people telling off everyone who is upset about a female lead in a superhero movie, but I don't actually see anyone being upset. Seems like "war on Christmas" outrage, to me. Most everyone is going to see the movie because they want to, or not going because they don't. Shocking stuff. You're probably right, but I think you had a few yahoos who took offense as that's what they do, then a few more yahoos took major offense at all of that.
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Post by nighttimer on Mar 18, 2019 14:58:40 GMT -5
Captain Marvel, which has already passed $500 Million in ticket sales, has had a little bit of controversy. Part of it may be due to star Brie Larson's comments, not wanting to have 40 year old white dudes telling her what to think of A Wrinkle in Time, and that she wanted a diverse media coverage. Maybe in part, because originally she was a he, but I believe they made that change back in the comics years ago.
Captain Marvel was originally Billy Batson who became Captain Marvel when he shouted "SHAZAM!" Or at least he did before National Comics (aka DC) noticed there were more than a few similarities between Captain Marvel and their own Superman, so they sued Fawcett Comics and Captain Marvel out of existence. Somewhere along the line, Smilin' Stan Lee realized that the Captain Marvel moniker was now in public domain, so they created their own Captain Marvel and he passed on the name to Carol Danvers who was Ms. Marvel, but not before a Black woman became Captain Marvel, until the original Captain Marvel's son came to claim the name, but by original I mean the Marvel original Captain Marvel and not the officially original Captain Marvel who was now being published by DC, but they had to call him Shazam! because they had lost the rights to call him Captain Marvel. Which is why we have both a Captain Marvel and a Shazam! movie, but only one of them can call themselves Captain Marvel.
Clear? Good. Because I'm confused as hell.
As a favorite comics pundit of mine once sagely observed, "Comics Are Weiiiiiiiiiirrrrrrrrrd."
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Post by Vince524 on Mar 18, 2019 15:42:51 GMT -5
That's the DC Marvel hero, and there was some issue as I understand with copyright in terms of the name because while most people think of the DC character as Shazam, that's the name of the wizard who gave him his powers. His name was Captain Marvel. There was also Captain Marvel Jr. (Why he wasn't Sgt Marvel I don't know.) Mary Marvel, Uncle Marvel (No, really) and others. But this Captain Marvel was once a dude. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Marvel_(Mar-Vell)
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Post by robeiae on Mar 18, 2019 16:02:36 GMT -5
Right. But that's what nighttimer said [my boldface]:
Captain Marvel was a "he," but he eventually passed the mantle on (kind of) to a "she," Carol Danvers.
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Post by nighttimer on Mar 18, 2019 19:52:47 GMT -5
So in the film itself,obviously Captain Marvel is the hero and she's a woman. The 2nd most notable good guy character is Samuel L. Jackson as a younger version of Nick Fury. We see white male character Phil Coulson, but he plays a very small role. There are other heroic secondary characters, a black female, and a white woman. Most of the aliens are non human colors, but while the ones we think are the bad guys have a greenish devil look to them, they're not. So there is no white male hero center stage. To which I say, so what? There's nothing in the film that says White Males are bad or the enemy. I saw the movie this Tuesday with daughter #2 who is my resident nerd. We both agreed, it was pretty good. We enjoyed it. Loved the action, humor, effects, etc. Great back story. Can't wait to see her in Avengers End Game I don't remember there being this much controversy with Wonder Woman (So far, the best of the DC movies from the current installments. I consider the Christian Bale movies separate) Any thoughts? I didn't have time to comment on the 2nd part of your post, Vince. Where the controversy about Captain Marvel comes from is an entirely different place than the one with Wonder Woman (I see you Mr. Cameron!) and it's actually more of an important point than the merits or demerits of the actual film. It's a "B" movie. Good, but far away from great. Closer to Ant Man & The Wasp than Captain America: The Winter Soldier. It's not a bad film by any means, but with Avengers:Endgame on the horizon, Captain Marvel is going to be an pleasant afterthought by summer. What should be worth something more than an afterthought is how any film coming out on Hollywood that rubs the trolls the wrong way will be attacked. The way Black Panther was attacked and Star Wars: The Last Jedi was attacked and the all-female Ghostbusters reboot was attacked and how Captain Marvel was attacked. Because the movie critics treat Marvel movies as always great and dump on DC movies as always trash. Because the movies are featuring Black heroes and women heroes and gay heroes, but no straight White male heroes. Because Social Justice Warriors and feminists and seculists and liberals are making these movies to push their agenda. The trolls are always hungry for meat and Brie Larson and her little flick was just the latest to arouse their anger.
It's almost comical how fucking stupid these guys are with their blogs and You Tube videos and Reddit subforums as they rail against liberalism, racial diversity and all these men-hating wimmen. They should climb out of their mama's basements, take a shower or three, brush their teeth, spray on some Axe body spray, put on some clean clothes (if they have any), get online and find a girl that lives in her papa's basement and is also adverse to soap, water, toothpaste, cologne, and clothes that aren't so funky they stand up in the corner.
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