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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 9:57:29 GMT -5
Oh, look what's on Amazon and Walmart, with a forward by Trump buddy, Alan Dershowitz. According to Amazon, the April 30 release date is a placeholder. It also says the book is 960 pages long-- wonder if that's a placeholder, too. But gotta love that the administration is being all top secret about the length etc. of the report, yet here they've got the marketing all set up and an arrangement for the forward. It'll be fun to see if it is really 960 pages when it comes out. We of course do not know the actual length of the full Mueller report. But if this is the length of Bart's redacted summary, how does he know that know if he's still putting it together? To note, I have the official 9/11 commission report on my shelves. It is 567 pages long, including the lengthy endnotes. There is a preface; it is by the Commission, not some Bush-friendly talking head lawyer. I don't have the official Starr report on my shelves. It's 544 pages long, apparently, with a forward by Phil Kuntz. www.amazon.com/STARR-REPORT-INDEPENDENT-INVESTIGATION-PRESIDENT/dp/0671034790/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_14_t_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=S38NDDFQBFCVFTQ0Y5VKIf we can assume that the full length of the Mueller report is 960 pages (which I acknowledge is likely not safe to do; still, it is interesting that it's there...), that means that the two-year Mueller investigation produced about twice as many pages in half the time as the Starr investigation. I think Phil Kuntz is an investigative reporter. Another question by me -- does this mean we're going to have to pay for the Mueller report if we want to read it? Oh, I will, even if it's (as I fear) just a longer Barr summary. But seems to me it should be downloadable for free. We paid for the investigation with our tax dollars...
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Post by markesq on Mar 27, 2019 10:16:48 GMT -5
I believe the Mueller report will have another forward by Sean Hannity. Together, he and Dersh will be adopting the pen name Paira Kuntz.
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Post by nighttimer on Mar 27, 2019 10:43:58 GMT -5
Oh Nighttimer, How adorable is this! You come flying in throwing elbows in an attempt to protect your queen of the silver dollar from one liners and poor spelling. Maybe your repetitive mention of sphincters and pussy grabbing will finally pay off for you?
Seemed to pay off like a winning lotto ticket in the 2018 election. Hoping for even bigger and better in the 2020 election.
I reference pussy grabbing because your boy bragged about doing it.
I reference sphincters repetitively for people who are full of shit.
If by the "Queen of the Silver Dollar" you mean Cassandra, she doesn't need protecting. You don't make it as a woman in a matriarchal, testosterone-fueled profession like practicing the law by being a nice girl sitting quietly in the corner until someone asks you to get them coffee and pats you on the fanny as you hurry by. You gotta ruffle a few feathers, sharpen your elbows and tell some motherfuckers where to go and what to do when they get there.
Swimming with sharks is not for the shy, retiring type, so swatting a pesky, but insignificant, buzzing mosquito hardly qualifies as a heavy lift. Cassandra needs no help from me to deal with anyone like you.
I'm sure they are. Junior high school was when you peaked. Which was a long time ago.
I don't curry anybody's favor. I don't have to. There is nothing anyone here can do for me or to me here, why the hell would I? You know who does need to curry favor? Weak, insecure people who can't accomplish shit on their own so they dick ride someone else who has.
Ringing any bells for you, mikey?
It depends on the caliber of the competition. Or as John Henrik Clarke put it so succinctly, “I only debate my equals. All others, I teach.”
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 10:48:18 GMT -5
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Post by Don on Mar 27, 2019 11:02:46 GMT -5
Another question by me -- does this mean we're going to have to pay for the Mueller report if we want to read it? Oh, I will, even if it's (as I fear) just a longer Barr summary. But seems to me it should be downloadable for free. We paid for the investigation with our tax dollars... There's a whole crapload of documentation that should be downloadable for free, IMO. Instead, we get FOIA bullshit after months of trying, with one or two words readable in each paragraph, the rest blacked out for "national security" reasons, and one in ten of the documents we request, the rest covered by those two magic words. And it didn't start Jan 20, 2017. And every single request is for information paid for with our tax dollars. How the fuck is that "government by the people, for the people?" OTOH, this is exactly the behavior I'd expect from any other criminal enterprise trying to circumvent the justice system.
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Post by robeiae on Mar 27, 2019 16:23:39 GMT -5
The report from the Iraq Study Group was released as a book one had to purchase. It was 160 pages long in paperback format. I don't remember if one could have read it for free on a website when it was first released (one can certainly do so now).
But I agree that Mueller's report should be released to the public, though I'm sure there are some portions that would have to be redacted.
I have a hunch, though, that none of the leaders on either side of the aisle would be happy about that happening.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 16:44:22 GMT -5
I think you're wrong on the Dem side. I believe Dems in general are pretty confident the report is far worse for Trump than the Barr summary indicates -- I'd be willing to stake money on it, and every Dem I've talked to seems to feel pretty strongly the same way. As far as I can see, Dem reps are universally demanding it.
Even if it doesn't turn out to be the big pile of nasty I expect, I favor transparency, so I think it should be released in full. If there's something in there that would truly jeopardize our national security (and I don't mean by embarrassing someone/exposing bad behavior), or compromise one of the ongoing investigations, I can see redacting it, but otherwise I think it's very much the nation's business.
Yeah, I recall that I had to pay for my 9/11 commission stuff. Somehow that doesn't piss me off the way paying for the Mueller report does -- I think because it specifically involves the president.
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Post by nighttimer on Mar 27, 2019 18:03:17 GMT -5
The report from the Iraq Study Group was released as a book one had to purchase. It was 160 pages long in paperback format. I don't remember if one could have read it for free on a website when it was first released (one can certainly do so now). But I agree that Mueller's report should be released to the public, though I'm sure there are some portions that would have to be redacted. I have a hunch, though, that none of the leaders on either side of the aisle would be happy about that happening. I think you're wrong on the Dem side. I believe Dems in general are pretty confident the report is far worse for Trump than the Barr summary indicates -- I'd be willing to stake money on it, and every Dem I've talked to seems to feel pretty strongly the same way. As far as I can see, Dem reps are universally demanding it. Even if it doesn't turn out to be the big pile of nasty I expect, I favor transparency, so I think it should be released in full. If there's something in there that would truly jeopardize our national security (and I don't mean by embarrassing someone/exposing bad behavior), or compromise one of the ongoing investigations, I can see redacting it, but otherwise I think it's very much the nation's business. Yeah, I recall that I had to pay for my 9/11 commission stuff. Somehow that doesn't piss me off the way paying for the Mueller report does -- I think because it specifically involves the president. Mmmmm....not sure I agree with you totally, Cassandra. robeiae may have a point. We don't know what all the dirt was that Robert Mueller gathered up when he started looking under the rug. Are the only dirty fingers the ones belonging to Donald Trump, Paul Manifort, Donald Trump, Jr., and others part of Trump Inc. or is there anything on Hillary Clinton and her crew that looks a little shady? When Little Lindsey Graham and the GOPee starts their own witch hunt against Clinton and Barack Obama and the Dems, what might they find? Maybe that the Russians hedged their bets and compromised the Democratic candidate as well as the Republican candidate? Even if Vladimir Putin had no interest in seeing Hillary become president, does that mean he didn't have something compromising on her and/or Bill? As Sherlock Holmes sagely observed, “When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.” I want the full, non-redacted, unabridged, unfiltered and unedited Mueller report. I want the truth. I don't care if Trump's fingerprints are over it because he thumbed through it (no way the bastard actually reads it) while scarfing down a Big Mac and fries. Let's see it. Screw Mitch McConnell and the rest of Republican obstructionists. Screw that "national security" horse dung. The American people deserve to know if they elected Donald Trump as the 45th President of the Disunited States of Amerikka or the Kremlin did. SET THE MUELLER REPORT FREE.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 18:15:30 GMT -5
Whatever is in it, the nation should see it. And yes, I want the truth. If I learn bad things about people I currently admire, well, that sucks, but I'd rather know.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 23:00:07 GMT -5
I'm with you, Mr. Schiff. And you are my fucking hero, sir.
Heh. Look how uncomfortable the Republicans are. They try to ignore all this shit, focus on a bit or piece at a time and try to rationalize it , but listening to it all laid out and condemned as it ought to be condemned -- yeah, they know. They know damn well. It's NOT okay.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 23:24:36 GMT -5
Let me guess. "Those are fake questions and that mean fake news reporter wasn't giving poor, poor Betsy any chance to explain! And how dare they follow her around asking her questions!"
If the Dems don't do constant attack ads on the evil Special Olympics funding cut, they are fools. (But I think they will.)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 0:17:13 GMT -5
Sadly, though, I think we'll likely have to wait until Trump is out of office to see him indicted, and it will be for his financial crimes. See, e.g.,
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Post by robeiae on Mar 29, 2019 7:58:15 GMT -5
On the Betsy DeVos/Special Olympics thing: that strikes me as a rather typical douchebag-leader move, wherein the person in charge has someone slighter lower down the ladder enforce/enact a policy that has the potential to piss people off. Then--if it DOES piss people off--the person in charge gets to swoop in and play the hero. I've personally seen it happen a number of times, though when it's done well it's tough to tell. Regardless, not a good look for the Presidency. ETA: Well, I guess it can be a good look, if enough people buy in to the story...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 8:06:51 GMT -5
On the Betsy DeVos/Special Olympics thing: that strikes me as a rather typical douchebag-leader move, wherein the person in charge has someone slighter lower down the ladder enforce/enact a policy that has the potential to piss people off. Then--if it DOES piss people off--the person in charge gets to swoop in and play the hero. I've personally seen it happen a number of times, though when it's done well it's tough to tell. Regardless, not a good look for the Presidency. ETA: Well, I guess it can be a good look, if enough people buy in to the story... Ah. Sort of akin to this, you mean?
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Post by robeiae on Mar 29, 2019 8:50:33 GMT -5
Sure, but I meant it more in terms of how some execs operate in the business world (which is, as I've noted, how Trump has approached the Presidency since day one).
An example from my life:
I was working as a traveling salesman (sort of) for a company. There were a bunch of us on the sales team, ten or so, and we traveled all over Florida, the Caribbean, and parts of central/south America. We had company cars, per diems, and so forth. We reported only to the Sales Manager, who himself reported only to the General Manager (the top dog in Miami/South Florida). At one point in time, the Sales Manager announced a change in policy that would have led to fewer per diem claims (it was a way to reduce per diem expenses without actually reducing per diems). The sales staff didn't like it needless to say and complained loudly and consistently for a couple of weeks until the GM swooped in at a meeting and announced he was restoring the old policy.
I was young then and--like the rest of the sales staff--thanked the GM, while still remaining kinda pissed at the Sales Manager, who had, in fact, got a little bit of a public dressing down from the GM.
Of course, what had really happened is that the GM had instructed the Sales Manager to make this change, then allowed the Sales Manager to take the blame when things went South.
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