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Post by Vince524 on Nov 15, 2019 12:40:13 GMT -5
IIRC didn't this shit backfire on the GOP with Clinton? It made him more sympathetic, or at the least made it so people liked the D's even less?
On the other hand, that was after the re-election. Have we ever had a president running while fighting a formal impeachment inquest?
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Post by michaelw on Nov 25, 2019 21:41:01 GMT -5
Best part of the impeachment inquiry:
Jim Jordan: "Do you know what a quid pro quo is?"
Gordon Sondland, man with minimal experience in foreign policy, who was appointed ambassador after donating $1,000,000 to Trump's inauguration:
"I do."
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Post by Optimus on Nov 27, 2019 12:29:05 GMT -5
IIRC didn't this shit backfire on the GOP with Clinton? It made him more sympathetic, or at the least made it so people liked the D's even less? The difference there, as I see it, is that Clinton didn't really do anything that constituted an egregious abuse of power. He cheated on his wife and then lied about it in grand jury testimony because he didn't want to admit the affair. Yes, it's perjury, but the entire lawsuit was a farce to begin with and back then I got the feeling that most people realized that. The Repubs in the late 90s didn't have any goods on Clinton, so they went on a fishing expedition and found blowjobs. Trump has abused his power at every turn, and there is a mountain of testimony (and text messages, and emails) providing evidence of that. Blowjobs in the Oval Office are not at all the same as blackmailing a foreign country into doing your dirty work. These cases are nothing alike.
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Post by robeiae on Nov 27, 2019 16:07:20 GMT -5
I agree, completely different. Clinton's stupidity was a ballot box issue, imo. Of course, Clinton was into his second term, so there was no real recourse there, but even that didn't justify impeachment.
What Trump did or didn't do with the Ukraine is a legitimate basis for an inquiry, based on the info that had been made public, imo.
That said, I'll say again that the Dems have screwed the pooch royally here--mostly because of Schiff--and turned what should have been a serious investigation into a political farce. Trump IS making an ass of himself with his counter attacks and defense, but I don't believe Schiff really had this nailed down, though he pretended otherwise. Now, he looks foolish and--partisans being partisans--is wholly incapable of ending the inquiry with any sort of dignity.
We could have had four years of Oval Office stupidity (coupled with a decent economy, to be sure), now I'm afraid we're going to get a full eight.
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