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Post by Vince524 on Jun 23, 2020 7:17:39 GMT -5
Well, we've officially arrived at guilty until proven innocent. Mind you, it's not complete until you're denied any ability to prove your innocence, but it's only Monday.
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Post by robeiae on Jun 23, 2020 18:02:03 GMT -5
On nooses: thefederalist.com/2020/06/23/cnn-falls-for-another-hoax-hate-crime/*headslap* But there's no reason to single out CNN. NASCAR, itself, pumped the story and used it to make a big show of support for Wallace and BLM before the race started. I watched and readily accepted that there was a noose, and was greatly impressed by said show of support, in fact. And it appears that the noose was in fact a pull rope for the garage door (no, seriously). Check out these picks:
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Post by robeiae on Jun 24, 2020 9:48:40 GMT -5
So, this has all gone really bad for NASCAR and for Bubba Wallace, pr-wise. For those unaware: a member of Wallace's team reported seeing the "noose" to NASCAR directly. NASCAR "investigated" (i.e. someone walked down to the garage area to what was up), determined there was in fact a "noose" in the garage area assigned to Wallace's team, then the president of NASCAR met with Wallace to tell him about the incident. From there, Wallace--understandably, at this point in time--was freaked out, scared for both himself and his family. And he publicly declared that he wouldn't be intimidated. NASCAR proceeded to make a big show of support for Wallace before the Talladega race. After the race, the FBI investigated--with some 15 agents--and quickly determined that the "noose" was in fact the end of a pull rope for the garage door at Wallace's station. Other garage doors have pull-ropes with loops on the end, too. Maybe the one as Wallace's garage was more "noose-like," I don't know. But it was obviously a pull-rope. The "noose" was obviously not a serious "hanging noose." NASCAR and Wallace have been getting creamed on social media, largely by their own fans: NASCAR for cynically exploiting the story (and Bubba Wallace, imo) and Wallace for being another Jussie Smollett (which is unfair, given the reality of the timeline). Unfortunately, Wallace has now made the situation worse, by going on Don Lemon's show and saying the following: Personally, I don't see it as a noose. But suppose it is. Suppose someone who likes to tie knots was in the garage during a rain delay and made a noose-like handle on the end of the rope. So what? Wallace is holding on to his outrage, when he should have just let it go, should have acknowledged that it was just a misunderstanding, been relieved that such was the case, though still happy with the support other drivers and teams and fans showed him.
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Post by Optimus on Jun 24, 2020 13:30:16 GMT -5
Wallace posted a statement on Twitter today that comes off a lot like, "Yeah, all that bullshit I said on Don Lemon's show last night, uh...just forget I said it."
The comparisons to Smollet aren't fair, as you said. I mean, I get it. Nobody likes being wrong and a lot of us look for ways to show we're not wrong even when we are so that we can save face. And, I imagine that the pressure of all that is even greater when one is wrong about something on such a huge scale and received an outpouring of positive public support based on what that person was wrong about. So, in the heat of the moment in a national TV interview about what you were wrong about, all of these things can come together in a really bad way.
But, even so, his performance on Lemon's show painted him as a reality-denying douchebag worthy of a name like "Bubba," who was desperately trying to avoid admitted he was so monumentally wrong and milk even more sympathy and attention out of this situation now that it's over. Guess he wasn't ready for his 15 minutes to be up yet but now he'll likely fade back into obscurity.
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Post by robeiae on Jun 24, 2020 16:39:02 GMT -5
Yeah, I just saw that tweet from Wallace. Much better. It's a shame--for him--that he didn't have his epiphany before the Don Lemon interview.
Like I said, I was fully supportive of him and the rest of the drivers and crews when I thought the story was legit. And I'm still glad that they did the right thing in supporting Wallace to the hilt. I'll cut Wallace some slack, personally. I didn't really care much about him before--he's an okay driver, but nothing special--but I didn't actively dislike him, so I can just go back to that.
But...NASCAR the company deserves some more heat, because someone there HAD to know this was all bullshit; they race at Talladega multiple times a year, the Talladega Speedway management is heavily involved with NASCAR, like all major racing locations. There's just no excuse for someone not putting the brakes on this early on. I'm very disappointed in NASCAR.
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Post by robeiae on Jun 25, 2020 7:53:45 GMT -5
The white saviors are coming out of the woodwork, now that they realize how much "woke cred" is on the table: When the hell is Nancy Cartwright gonna do the right thing and stop voicing a non-white male character? She's been getting away with that shit for over 30 years! And don't get me started on Mel Blanc...
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Post by michaelw on Jun 26, 2020 1:42:53 GMT -5
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Post by robeiae on Jun 26, 2020 8:46:18 GMT -5
Even worse was what Mike Skinner's son said in an FB post (and this was before everyone realized that there was no actual noose):
"Tied it to him [Wallace] and drug him around the pits." Nice. Oh, and Wallace is a "scumbag piece of shit." Double nice.
The fact that NASCAR has its share of mouth-breathers is no surprise, which I guess kinda explains why NASCAR tried to use this faux-incident for some positive media attention. But they effed that up royally. Really, all NASCAR accomplished here was to give the mouth-breathers more cover, since they can all happily yell "hoax" and compare Wallace to Smollett.
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Post by robeiae on Jun 29, 2020 7:16:00 GMT -5
Taibbi takes on White Fragility: taibbi.substack.com/p/on-white-fragilityGood stuff. Tangent: You know, I've always read Taibbi's stuff. Haven't always agreed with his opinions, to be sure, but generally presents them fairly, imo. Right now, he's one of the few commentators who is anything close to even-handed, imo. And he's getting a lot of new fans because of this, especially from the Right. Though I can't help but wonder what's gonna happen a year (or much sooner) from now, when all of his new fans realize he's he's just not all that conservative...
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Post by prozyan on Jun 29, 2020 10:32:57 GMT -5
Though I can't help but wonder what's gonna happen a year (or much sooner) from now, when all of his new fans realize he's he's just not all that conservative... I think the tendency is that as both sides move further into their respective extremes the middle looks a lot more appealing to more people.
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Post by Optimus on Jun 29, 2020 14:12:40 GMT -5
Taibbi takes on White Fragility: taibbi.substack.com/p/on-white-fragilityGood stuff. Tangent: You know, I've always read Taibbi's stuff. Haven't always agreed with his opinions, to be sure, but generally presents them fairly, imo. Right now, he's one of the few commentators who is anything close to even-handed, imo. And he's getting a lot of new fans because of this, especially from the Right. Though I can't help but wonder what's gonna happen a year (or much sooner) from now, when all of his new fans realize he's he's just not all that conservative... From Taibbi: "DiAngelo isn’t the first person to make a buck pushing tricked-up pseudo-intellectual horseshit as corporate wisdom, but she might be the first to do it selling Hitlerian race theory. White Fragility has a simple message: there is no such thing as a universal human experience, and we are defined not by our individual personalities or moral choices, but only by our racial category."Nailed it. Also: "DiAngelo writes like a person who was put in timeout as a child for speaking clearly."LOL!
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Post by Optimus on Jun 29, 2020 14:36:16 GMT -5
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Post by robeiae on Jun 30, 2020 7:41:18 GMT -5
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Post by robeiae on Jun 30, 2020 8:30:22 GMT -5
Luckily, there are still plenty of white saviors helping out the movement:
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Post by Optimus on Jun 30, 2020 14:37:40 GMT -5
Commandments of the Woke Gospel: Racism is bad, unless it's against whites because, bruh, white supremacy or something. Religious bigotry is bad, unless it's against Christians or Jews because, bruh, white supremacy or something. Sexism is bad, unless it's against men because, bruh, white male patriarchy or something.
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