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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 10:33:34 GMT -5
As much as I dislike Trump, I don't think it's fair to paint all Trump voters with the same brush. It tends to get spatter all over the tile. (See what I did there?)
For example, lots of people in vote straight down party lines. They are voting not so much for a person as they are for a general agenda they think that party will forward, which they see as more important than an individual asshole. That's not the way I vote, but I think it likely applies to most of the country.
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Post by robeiae on Jan 8, 2017 10:46:38 GMT -5
It's no less stupid than voting for someone because of their sex or skin color. Or for a host of other reasons. And it's not like everyone who voted for Clinton did so for perfectly rational and intelligent reasons.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 10:51:06 GMT -5
It's no less stupid than voting for someone because of their sex or skin color. Or for a host of other reasons. And it's not like everyone who voted for Clinton did so for perfectly rational and intelligent reasons. I agree with that, too.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Jan 8, 2017 11:07:34 GMT -5
The article did address that concept regarding why some voted for Trump.
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Post by Christine on Jan 8, 2017 19:02:10 GMT -5
As much as I dislike Trump, I don't think it's fair to paint all Trump voters with the same brush. It tends to get spatter all over the tile. (See what I did there?) For example, lots of people in vote straight down party lines. They are voting not so much for a person as they are for a general agenda they think that party will forward, which they see as more important than an individual asshole. That's not the way I vote, but I think it likely applies to most of the country. Right, and that's what I said two posts up. I don't think "excessive political correctness" cost the Dems the election, or that most people voted for Trump because they're sick of it. *shrug*
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Post by Don on Jan 8, 2017 19:28:43 GMT -5
As much as I dislike Trump, I don't think it's fair to paint all Trump voters with the same brush. It tends to get spatter all over the tile. (See what I did there?) For example, lots of people in vote straight down party lines. They are voting not so much for a person as they are for a general agenda they think that party will forward, which they see as more important than an individual asshole. That's not the way I vote, but I think it likely applies to most of the country. Right, and that's what I said two posts up. I don't think "excessive political correctness" cost the Dems the election, or that most people voted for Trump because they're sick of it. *shrug* "Most" isn't really the issue, as this sentence from RT's link points out.
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Post by Christine on Jan 8, 2017 19:42:39 GMT -5
The link is an opinion article from the Irish Times... But I know some of ya'll love the subject where the "regressive left" is to blame for Trump, and that article is just more "proof," so have fun, brahs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 19:46:22 GMT -5
I think we also had a bunch of unenthusiastic people who just stayed home. And more than usual went third-party. I think those factors likely made more of a difference than people disliking political correctness.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Jan 8, 2017 20:48:33 GMT -5
The link is an opinion article from the Irish Times... But I know some of ya'll love the subject where the "regressive left" is to blame for Trump, and that article is just more "proof," so have fun, brahs. Yes, it is, but note the Irish times is a left/center publication. That's what I found interesting. mediabiasfactcheck.com/?s=Irish+times&submit=Search
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Jan 9, 2017 10:42:49 GMT -5
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Post by Vince524 on Jan 10, 2017 12:43:38 GMT -5
Unfortunately, in this case, taking the easy way out guarantees a Trump vote. Sometimes the easy way isn't the way to change the world. "Be the change you want to see" is hard work. Sorry but I reeeeally don't think people voted for Trump for this reason. I just found this thread and I haven't mastered multiquote.
I don't think there's any one reason why we got Trump, but a lot of reasons why. And I think this is one of them. People who are conservative have become deaf to cries of racism as it's leveled at them at every turn. A lot of people dismissed a lot of what Trump said as just politically incorrect, saying what he thinks. I think that was foolish to be sure, but I do think it did factor in.
The dismissiveness of the left towards those that disagree with them had a huge role to play in a Trump victory.
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Post by Vince524 on Jan 10, 2017 12:51:54 GMT -5
Thereby proving their moronism, no? Sorry, I'm feeling hateful after peeling paint splatter off my tile. But to Don's point and your link, I'll concede that a lot of people voted for Trump for emotional reasons including being irritated at/sick of hearing about PC. Which, did I mention, is a really fucking stupid thing to base one's vote on. Another point to consider. Meryle Streep at the Golden Globes. www.cnn.com/2017/01/08/entertainment/meryl-streep-golden-globes-speech/
She's certainly entitled to her opinion, but here she is at a ceremony where the elite in Hollywood break their arms as they pat themselves on their own backs and she uses her time to make a political attack. Why should anyone care what an actress thinks, no matter how good she is at her craft.
She also didn't just attack Trump for his mocking of a disabled reporter which is very 'attackable'. There was this.
1st off, why attack MMA or football? 2nd off, where has Trump or anyone else talked about getting rid of all foreigners? There's a 'bigly' difference between illegal immigrants and people who are here legally.
It came across as a lecture on morality by a woman who gave a standing ovation to Roman Polanski, a child rapist. Outrage is selective, I suppose.
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Post by robeiae on Jan 10, 2017 14:47:29 GMT -5
MMA is pretty international as well--love it or hate it--so she's just showing her ignorance with that comment.
But I don't have a problem with Streep using the podium to make a statement or even a political attack. Too bad it wasn't more sensible.
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Post by Christine on Jan 10, 2017 19:27:35 GMT -5
It's no less stupid than voting for someone because of their sex or skin color. Or for a host of other reasons. And it's not like everyone who voted for Clinton did so for perfectly rational and intelligent reasons. Probably there were a few who thought, "I've got to vote for Hillary, only because she's a woman and we've never had a woman president"... but I doubt this was widespread. In fact, I've read tons of posts from people who made a point of saying, "I'm not voting for her because she's a woman; I'm voting for her because she's the most qualified." Like Cass said, it was party lines for the vast majority of people. I doubt there was a single conservative leaning voter who voted for Clinton because she's female. I also doubt there was a single liberal leaning voter who voted for Trump because of political correctness. So you've got all these Dems who are like, Yay, female Prez!" And you've got all these Repubs who are like, "I'm so sick of PC!" Color me shocked. The swing voters were, I think, sucked into the idea of a billionaire President making their own lives better, and, like the article said: Change. Speaking of which, this bit from it that Don quoted above? Very strange to me, to combine "PC" with mainstream politicians/desire for change as though they just magically belong together. IMO, we had a bunch of people who are emotional voters, distrusted Clinton, just wanted a change and, as you mentioned, didn't employ reason or intelligence and.... voila, look who's gonna be President. Speaking for myself, I voted against Trump, though it didn't pain me to vote for Clinton in the end. It was, in fact, the most "rational and intelligent" vote to be made under the circumstances. I voted for a Republican Senator (Rubio) in a feeble attempt balance things out because I thought Clinton would win (and also because Murphy is a twit). I think we also had a bunch of unenthusiastic people who just stayed home. And more than usual went third-party. I think those factors likely made more of a difference than people disliking political correctness. This too. I just found this thread and I haven't mastered multiquote. I don't think there's any one reason why we got Trump, but a lot of reasons why. And I think this is one of them. People who are conservative have become deaf to cries of racism as it's leveled at them at every turn. A lot of people dismissed a lot of what Trump said as just politically incorrect, saying what he thinks. I think that was foolish to be sure, but I do think it did factor in. The dismissiveness of the left towards those that disagree with them had a huge role to play in a Trump victory. Don't you mean yuuuuge? The idea that "the left was dismissive" is so nebulous as to be worthless, imo. Streep at the Golden Globes. She's certainly entitled to her opinion, but here she is at a ceremony where the elite in Hollywood break their arms as they pat themselves on their own backs and she uses her time to make a political attack. Why should anyone care what an actress thinks, no matter how good she is at her craft. She also didn't just attack Trump for his mocking of a disabled reporter which is very 'attackable'. I finally watched that bit after hearing about it from some Repub new neighbors who were indeed outraged about it. I thought Streep was very calm and measured and it was a proper message to send--the part about Trump mocking the disabled, I mean. It was well said. The football/MMA bit wasn't in the clip I watched.
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Post by robeiae on Jan 10, 2017 19:51:05 GMT -5
"The Politically Correct Left made me vote for Trump. Waaahhh." That's such a weak-ass way to dodge the responsibility for whatever horribleness comes out of this vile, vengeful, vicious cretin over the next four years and whether the enabling of the excuse makers is coming from across the pond or on this board, it's a transparent attempt to weasel out of that responsibility. At some point, the buck isn't going to be passed and the blaming of liberals for what conservatives did all by themselves isn't going to fly. Trump is no different from the toddler who pulls off their Pampers during Mommy and Daddy's cocktail party, squats on the white shag carpet, drops a rancid little fly magnet, beams happily and proclaims, "Look what I just did!" Whatever happens after January 20 is all the mess the Right made and they're going to have to clean it up by themselves. I can't speak for Don or Vince, but I'm not trying to lay blame or pass responsibility for Trump's victory on to liberals or anyone else. The people who voted for Trump are the ones responsible for his victory. And they made that choice all on their own; no one made them do it. Nonetheless, I think it's fair to examine the "whys" beyond that choice. And again, I think it's true that one of those whys was a reactionary response, as I note above. That doesn't mean that such people who voted for Trump aren't exactly what others supposed them to be--racists, xenophobes, knuckle-draggers, what have you--because no doubt some of them are.
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