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Post by haggis on Feb 4, 2017 23:39:23 GMT -5
Opty, please don't smite me, I only have 10 karma as it is. SOME people (Christine *cough*) have double that even though they advocate violence against Barney! *watches video* *exalts Christine* Wait. You have more karma than I do? It's just not fair. I want a recount.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 23:41:48 GMT -5
Then you must have read some different history books than the ones I read because there was this thing called the Revolutionary War in it and it was all about violence and arson and worse. There are worse things than violence and arson. One of them is being indifferent and complacent in the face of the evil men do to each other because they think they are better than other men and are willing to go to any length to prove it. Evil cannot always be defeated, but it must always be confronted. Nobody ever changed the world without first realizing something was wrong with the world. The Revolutionary war wasn't started because some silly little troll spouted some ugly insults during his fifteen minutes of fame.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 23:42:45 GMT -5
Opty, please don't smite me, I only have 10 karma as it is. SOME people (Christine *cough*) have double that even though they advocate violence against Barney! *watches video* *exalts Christine* Wait. You have more karma than I do? It's just not fair. I want a recount. Fine. I gave you some damn karma. Happy now? Happy?
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Post by haggis on Feb 4, 2017 23:48:19 GMT -5
Wait. You have more karma than I do? It's just not fair. I want a recount. Fine. I gave you some damn karma. Happy now? Happy? Moar, plz.
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Post by nighttimer on Feb 4, 2017 23:49:42 GMT -5
Then you must have read some different history books than the ones I read because there was this thing called the Revolutionary War in it and it was all about violence and arson and worse. There are worse things than violence and arson. One of them is being indifferent and complacent in the face of the evil men do to each other because they think they are better than other men and are willing to go to any length to prove it. Evil cannot always be defeated, but it must always be confronted. Nobody ever changed the world without first realizing something was wrong with the world. The Revolutionary war wasn't started because some silly little troll spouted some ugly insults during his fifteen minutes of fame. There is nothing "silly" about what Milo Yiannopoulos is doing. It is deadly serious and you are trivializing and seriously underestimating the potency of the poison he and his ilk are injecting into the body politic of America.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 23:51:32 GMT -5
Fine. I gave you some damn karma. Happy now? Happy? Moar, plz. Pfft. You are so greedy. I can't give you more for another ten minutes. Blame Rob -- that's how he set it up. I can ban everyone in the thread one right after another (not such a bad idea, as I review it), but I can only give out karma points every ten minutes.
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Post by Christine on Feb 4, 2017 23:53:40 GMT -5
If you don't understand the difference between endorsing someone's right to say something, and endorsing what they say, then I don't know how I could begin to explain what "nuance" means to you. I understand the difference, and I disagree that it's "nuance." It's not subtle; it's not nuance. You keep using that word.... The fact is that if you think it's more important that someone be allowed to spew hate than to prevent them from doing so (through nonviolent means/non-governmental force, that is) then people will question your intent. Again, it's your "principled" stance, but it's ultimately a distinction without a difference, imo. If you are against hate speech, you would presumably be for nonviolent means of protesting it, including like at the other university, where there was no violence, only a strong resistance. But... you didn't like that either, as I recall. Because (a) most people (not just ohio) don't think violence is justified and (b) your position assumes that the only issue is the violence. I think (b) is the crux of it, honestly. If you had said, "I disagree with this violence, but Milo is a shitheel..." or somesuch, there probably would have been no argument. But since you started this thread with the topic being the liberals again, and now violence... it's kind of clear where your real concerns are? "Principles," again. You want there to be all of these rules, which allow racists to speak, and then the opposing side will get their turn eventually. I don't know, it just seems so clinical. It's not reality. Great. So in a public university, the racist has a right to speak, but it's not so public that the public can't speak loudly enough to prevent him from speaking. Or something. You used the code word, "offended." As in, hurt feelings or emotional outrage or whatever. The thing is, hate speech is not just "offensive." It is HARMFUL. It is as harmful, maybe even more harmful to society in general, than someone being pepper sprayed. That's where the disconnect comes in. You see people saying racist things and shrug. It's not hurting you. That's why I asked: how does it affect you? Short answer, it doesn't. But it does affect other people, and it's not because they're "offended." That this somehow involves nuance. I really have. *Iz tired*
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 23:55:47 GMT -5
The Revolutionary war wasn't started because some silly little troll spouted some ugly insults during his fifteen minutes of fame. There is nothing "silly" about what Milo Yiannopoulos is doing. It is deadly serious and you are trivializing and seriously underestimating the potency of the poison he and his ilk are injecting into the body politic of America. And you are doing exactly what Amadan noted you were doing earlier in the thread: advocating violence as a remedy to ugly speech.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 0:00:42 GMT -5
This thread has become tiresome and repetitive, and it is boring the crap out of me. Everyone's positions are perfectly clear; I'm not sure what's gained by repeating them over and over.
I'm locking it for the night. Rob can unlock it in the morning if he sees some virtue in continuing that escapes me.
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