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Post by poetinahat on Mar 22, 2017 20:55:41 GMT -5
This story starts with Maxine Waters tweeting, "get ready for impeachment" in response to the recent revelations about FBI investigating Trump campaign links to Russia. But for me, the real fun begins when it gets to Feinstein and her comments in talking to anti-Trump protestors. To paraphrase: Protestor: "Trump violates the Constitution every day. How do we get him out?" DF: "Many people looking into things. I can't say anymore, but I think he'll get himself out." Not "we should impeach him", or "we need to figure out how to fight this", but "I think it will happen, and he'll bring it on himself". Pretty quietly said, and calmly, for such a bold statement.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 10:19:03 GMT -5
Again, I have to say this must be the most extraordinary beginning to a presidential administration yet. I recall opposition to Bush and Obama, of course. But I don't recall statements like these being made by actual people in office (as opposed to yahoos in partisan journals and on the internet). Of course, nor do I recall a president saying the kind of stuff Trump says, tossing off unfounded accusations against his predecessor, being flatly contradicted by the FBI director...
I admit, I am hoping it will happen. Pence is far from my first choice as a leader, but I think he'd be much more stable and less embarrassing. At the very least, he would not go about alienating our allies and stirring up chaos for no good reason. I'm also optimistic he wouldn't lie and double down quite so outrageously as Trump. (Seriously, I consider that to be one of the most worrisome things about Trump.)
I thought about doing a poll to see how many would prefer Pence to Trump, were they given a choice. I know some liberals think he'd be worse. I'm sure those in Trump's hardest core base think he wouldn't be as good. I suppose it depends on what you fear (or like) most about a Trump presidency.
If I were forced to guess, I'd bet he makes it through one term, but is not re-elected. But then, I wouldn't bet any money on it.
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Post by Vince524 on Mar 23, 2017 11:39:02 GMT -5
At this point, it's all noise. People have been talking about his impeachment since before he won.
For any other person, I'd say that if they'd be safe unless there were criminal charges that resulted in a conviction while their party held both houses, but I don't see boatloads of GOPers going down to protect Trump if it were being demanded.
But it won't, IMHO, until and unless they have something very concrete to go on. And probably something new.
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Post by nighttimer on Mar 23, 2017 12:56:45 GMT -5
This story starts with Maxine Waters tweeting, "get ready for impeachment" in response to the recent revelations about FBI investigating Trump campaign links to Russia. But for me, the real fun begins when it gets to Feinstein and her comments in talking to anti-Trump protestors. To paraphrase: Protestor: "Trump violates the Constitution every day. How do we get him out?" DF: "Many people looking into things. I can't say anymore, but I think he'll get himself out." Not "we should impeach him", or "we need to figure out how to fight this", but "I think it will happen, and he'll bring it on himself". Pretty quietly said, and calmly, for such a bold statement. If the president has access to information the press and public do not, it's not a leap to guess the same applies to Maxine Waters and Diane Feinstein as two long-tenured Congresscritters. There is no smoking gun implicating Trump directly to his campaign's ties to the Kremlin. But the buck stops at his desk and the FBI investigating a sitting president does not bode well for his prospects of remaining that way. Premature? Yeah, probably. But still, it's been a while since any Administration started off under such an ethical cloud and despite the nay saying of Trump and his supporters, the clouds are not dissipating. Quite the contrary, they're getting darker.
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Post by poetinahat on Mar 23, 2017 17:46:59 GMT -5
At this point, it's all noise. People have been talking about his impeachment since before he won. Exactly my point. What she said, and the way she said it, was different. It didn't sound like the Hail-Mary proposals to hope for the Electoral College to flip votes at the last minute, or futile rantings about how it cannot, should not be this way, or one tax return from twelve years ago. To me, it sounded more like there really was something happening, and never mind how this Administration behaves, what's happening is being done properly, by grown-ups. No conjecture, just "be patient". We'll see. And as the article notes, it may take years, and may come to nothing. But this moment of maturity reminded me that there are still real, qualified, experienced people interested in the truth up there. A moment of sanity - we long for one day where the President doesn't do something that makes the world weep, so this helped.
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Post by Amadan on Mar 24, 2017 11:56:45 GMT -5
I think you're reading tea leaves. If Feinstein really has some dire secret knowledge, she's not hinting at it on Twitter.
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Post by poetinahat on Mar 24, 2017 16:08:26 GMT -5
In the clip, she said she couldn't talk about it, and she only addressed it in response to a direct question. I would fully expect that she's not tweeting about it.
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Post by Amadan on Mar 24, 2017 16:19:42 GMT -5
In the clip, she said she couldn't talk about it, and she only addressed it in response to a direct question. I would fully expect that she's not tweeting about it. I meant, I think you are reading too much into her Twitter comments.
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Post by poetinahat on Mar 24, 2017 17:06:16 GMT -5
I haven't even seen her Twitter comments.
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Post by robeiae on Mar 24, 2017 19:26:20 GMT -5
I think the Russia stuff is being waaaay overdone.
That said, I think there's a fair chance--maybe 10%--that Trump doesn't finish out his first term. Why? There are just too many potential reasons...
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Post by maxinquaye on Mar 24, 2017 20:05:17 GMT -5
I have this strange antipathy against Dianne Feinstein, and therefore I shouldn't say anything about her because you're all likely to ask for references, and I couldn't give any except vague impressions of a completely corrupted politician who's been on the corporate take for decades, and who will say just about anything if it means more corporate contributions. So, I won't say anything, except combat the instinctive urge to believe the exact opposite of what she says. Yes, I'm not rational, I think.
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Post by robeiae on Mar 24, 2017 20:12:38 GMT -5
Disagree. You're rational. My feelings about Feinstein are just about identical to yours.
She and her husband have become filthy rich, thanks in part to her political career and his *luck* in getting huge government contracts...
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Post by Don on Mar 24, 2017 22:19:46 GMT -5
IMO, Feinstein is proof positive that those on the left are just as willing to support scumbags who champion their causes as anyone on the right has ever been.
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Post by Amadan on Mar 25, 2017 8:46:26 GMT -5
I agree. I have disliked Feinstein ever since she was the Mayor of San Francisco.
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Post by Optimus on Mar 26, 2017 14:55:06 GMT -5
At this point, it's all noise. People have been talking about his impeachment since before he won. Exactly my point. What she said, and the way she said it, was different. It didn't sound like the Hail-Mary proposals to hope for the Electoral College to flip votes at the last minute, or futile rantings about how it cannot, should not be this way, or one tax return from twelve years ago. To me, it sounded more like there really was something happening, and never mind how this Administration behaves, what's happening is being done properly, by grown-ups. No conjecture, just "be patient". We'll see. And as the article notes, it may take years, and may come to nothing. But this moment of maturity reminded me that there are still real, qualified, experienced people interested in the truth up there. A moment of sanity - we long for one day where the President doesn't do something that makes the world weep, so this helped. From what I recall, didn't she say this as she was just leaving a security briefing on Trump/Russia? Or, am I remembering that incorrectly? Perhaps she was letting slip that she knew something but also knowing she has to be tight-lipped about it.
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