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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 13:18:03 GMT -5
...to brag about her admission to an ivy league university. His accompanying tweet: If you don't know, btw, Edie Sedgwick was a tragic socialite party girl, famous for her association with Andy Warhol. She committed suicide (or so many think --there's some mystery around the cause of death, apparently--it may have been an accidental overdose) in 1971. www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/edie-sedgwick-the-life-and-death-of-the-sixties-star-431412.htmlMy thoughts: (1) A profound thank you to my dad, may he rest in peace, for not tweeting a photo of me in my bra when I got into Yale. (2) Actually, make that a profound thank you to my dad, may he rest in peace, for NEVER sharing a photo of me in my bra for any reason under any circumstances. I don't have any issue with a father being proud that his daughter is attractive as well as intelligent (and bragging about it is quite forgivable pride, IMO) -- but the photo that should accompany a tweet like this, IMO, is his smiling daughter's graduation photo. I'd also accept a prom picture or a head shot. And yeah, somehow the "channeling your inner Edie Sedgwick"...I mean, poor Edie, she was lovely and may she rest in peace, but maybe not the role model you want to associate your brainy daughter with. I also have no problem with the daughter posing for a shot like this, btw. But I can safely say if I had done so, it would have been something my dad would have had a "OK, whatever, it's your life" reaction to -- but he certainly wouldn't have been proudly showing his friends (not to mention the whole world). Most dads, in my experience, steer clear of sexualized images of their daughter. So. Does this squick you out, or is it just me (and a bunch of others on twitter)? Several of you are parents -- would you post a photo like this of your own daughter in connection with such an announcement, or at all? ETA: I see this has now made some news outlets. I actually did not see that before I posted -- my first exposure to it was someone on my twitter feed retweeting the image. Cohen made it all just a bit creepier with his responses to the criticisms: e.g., "jealous?" and "beauty and brains, a--hole!" (Again -- thank you, Daddy, for not being Michael Cohen. I wish I could show this to my dad now -- I know he'd have a great wise-ass remark to make.)
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Post by Angie on May 15, 2017 15:20:46 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 15:24:51 GMT -5
Yeah, that's pretty much what I was trying to say with all those words.
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Post by robeiae on May 15, 2017 16:16:16 GMT -5
I'd never do it. But a few things: 1) the pic is from her Instagram account2) she referenced Edie Sedgwick in her post 3) the pic is also on the Instragam account of the photographerMy niece is--right now--a social media "celebrity." She has millions of followers, she's making tons of money, and she's 16. Cohen's daughter--from what I can see--is trying hard to build a following on social media; her pics are almost all of her (or her and girlfriends), with many swimsuit or "sexy" shots. The pic he tweeted was her latest. In fact, he looks to have tweeted it right after she posted it and he also linked to her Instagram account. Very possibly--very likely, in fact--she wanted him to do it to possible increase her followers. My brother-in-law has struggled with some of this stuff with his niece, based on what she wants, what her agent wants, what clients want, etc. (fwiw, he's doing a great job with all of that, imo). Again, I don't think I would ever post a pic of my daughter like the one here, but I don't know that it's way out of line, all things considered. Not my choice, but not necessarily a horribly wrong one, imo.
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Post by Amadan on May 15, 2017 16:18:28 GMT -5
In fairness, the Edie Sedgwick reference is apparently based on the fact that she was, in fact, recreating an old Edie Sedgwick photo.
Other than that: yeah, this guy is about as classy as his boss. She apparently has an Instagram where she posts this stuff, and while daddy may be okay with his daughter's life choices, it still comes off as creepy for him to be bragging about how hot his daughter looks in her underwear.
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Post by robeiae on May 15, 2017 18:12:28 GMT -5
Just fyi, her number of followers has gone up by hundreds in the last hour or so. I'm interested to see where the numbers are tomorrow night.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 18:26:57 GMT -5
In fairness, the Edie Sedgwick reference is apparently based on the fact that she was, in fact, recreating an old Edie Sedgwick photo. Other than that: yeah, this guy is about as classy as his boss. She apparently has an Instagram where she posts this stuff, and while daddy may be okay with his daughter's life choices, it still comes off as creepy for him to be bragging about how hot his daughter looks in her underwear. Pretty much this. My dad wouldn't have tried to interfere in my choice to pose for these photos -- but if I'd asked him to tweet them around, he'd never have done it! And actually, even if he were going to do it, the tweet that accompanies it is worse than if he had tweeted something like "my daughter posed for an art photo recreating an iconic shot of the late Edie Sedgwick" -- something about bragging about your grown daughter's hotness in her underwear is just so... well, as Angie would say, . I also question whether she didn't have some less sexual shots her dad could have linked to if he wanted to boost daughter's instagram account. Finally, I question the appropriateness of an adviser to the freaking president boosting his daughter's instagram account -- let alone in that manner. On another Michael Cohen related note -- Cohen is a graduate of the Thomas Cooley law school. Never heard of it? Yeah, neither had I. (I looked it up, by the way, because Cohen has a ton of really dumb typos in his tweets, and comes across as a total bonehead.) Now mind you -- I really do not mean to be a hoity-toity ivy snob here. There are many solid law schools, state and private, that are not in the top tier of U.S. News and World Report rankings that provide a good education and turn out great lawyers. But, um, yeah, not so much the Thomas Cooley law school: That's seriously abysmal. Really, seriously, bad. Nine months out, 3/4 of the class didn't have a job working as a lawyer. A quarter of them had no job at all. Their bar passage rate is about 50% -- which is freaking awful. Really, trust me on this. Awful. I will say it as a lawyer: there are too many law schools, turning out too many lawyers -- more than there is currently legal employment for. The jobs go to students from the better schools and the better students from the mid-tier schools. A mediocre student from a mid-tier school will struggle to get a job, and it's been that way for a while now. And this ain't no mid-tier school. Frankly, if the only law school you can get into is a scraping-at-the-bottom-of-the-barrel law school, do not waste your tuition money unless you just really have your heart set on studying law and have no need of a job (because you very likely won't get one), or perhaps if your daddy has his own law firm and you have a guaranteed job no matter what. I'll also add -- and call me a snob if you like -- that not everyone is cut out to be a lawyer (or a scientist or a doctor or a number of other professions that require some intellect). If you haven't demonstrated the ability and academic application needed to get into a decent law school, maybe you should consider some other field. Obviously, this guy did get a job -- and with Trump, no less. But I gotta wonder why Trump hired a graduate of this school when there are just soooooo many lawyers with better credentials out there. The guy's twitter account (and not just this one tweet) does not go towards convincing me that he's the rare shining star from his law school -- quite the contrary, in fact.
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Post by Don on May 15, 2017 20:35:34 GMT -5
Sometimes practicing tolerance is hard.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 20:40:24 GMT -5
Here's a link to the daughter's instagram. www.instagram.com/samichka_/ I see exactly one sexy photo of her in her underwear. The rest seem to be pretty normal pictures of her hanging out with friends. Point being, he could have promoted her instagram account (assuming that's even appropriate), and bragged about how smart and pretty she was, all without highlighting a sexy shot of her in her underwear.
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Post by robeiae on May 15, 2017 21:52:11 GMT -5
She has a bunch of bikini pics, a bunch of sexy dresses, and the like.
But again, the shot in question here was done by a professional photographer, was themed to evoke Edie Sedgwick, was obviously intended to be something special. Again, my choice would be to not do what he did. But if my daughter specifically asked me to promote a specific "art" photo of her, I'm not exactly sure that I would positively say no (ditto if my son asked; he's in theater, after all). I think I would say no, but "daddy, pleeeeeease" goes a long way...
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 22:04:53 GMT -5
It is rather amusing to picture Cohen tweeting a picture of his underwear-clad grown son in a sexy pose meant to evoke Kurt Cobain, with the comment "handsome and brainy"...
Or, say, Nancy Pelosi doing it...
Yeah, no matter what, I'm creeped out. Should your daughter ask, Robo, just say no. Pleeeeeeeeeeeease?
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Post by robeiae on May 15, 2017 22:18:02 GMT -5
*shrug*
I don't pretend to fully grok social media fame, but it's clearly a big deal to a lot of people. Pointing to my niece again, she has over 6 million followers on Instagram, and I don't know how many on YouTube. She's been famous since she was 15. Some of her pics are definitely on the provocative side. But such things drive traffic.
As much as I find the sharing of this pic to be a little tasteless, I don't find it particularly outrageous, especially if--as I suspect--he shared it her behest.
Answer me this: if he shared it and said something like "a pic from my daughters latest photo shoot, evoking Edie Sedgwick," would that have been just as bad, even worse, or not as bad? Frankly, I'd have less of a problem with that; it's the bragging on her college in the share that makes it seem wrong, imo. Yet, he might have just made a poor decision there, along the line of "my daughter wants me to promote her photoshoot, but if I'm going to do it, I'm going to makes sure people know she's smart as well." I don't know. It's just not outrage-worthy. In contrast, many of the comments are obviously coming from the dregs of humanity, both on his twitter account and her Instagram account.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 22:31:56 GMT -5
The combination is what makes it particularly yucky to me. If he did the same brag, but accompanied by a wholesome pic of the girl in cap and gown, I'd be fine with it. The underwear pic...honestly, no matter what he said, I'd find it a bit icky for a dad to tweet that pic. But it would have been MUCH better if he'd accompanied it with the tweet you suggest, setting it up as an art shoot, not as a "here's my fuckable daughter." As it is, it really feels like he's gloating over the hotness of his daughter in black lingerie -- plus accompanying it with the ivy league thing has the weird effect of demeaning her accomplishment. Then his retorts -- e.g., "jealous?" -- further that feel. I'm not outraged -- just grossed out. There's a really great response a dad had to his daughter's cheesy, slightly too sexy social media content -- he light-heartedly mimicked it. That I found endearing, and so did the daughter. Lemme see if I can find it. aha! Enjoy. insider.foxnews.com/2016/06/29/washington-dad-teaches-daughter-lesson-recreating-her-sexy-selfies-instagram
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Post by robeiae on May 16, 2017 6:46:29 GMT -5
Just fyi, her number of followers has gone up by hundreds in the last hour or so. I'm interested to see where the numbers are tomorrow night. She's gained over 1000 followers since I first posted on this thread. Likely, this brouhaha garnered her two or three thousand already, and it's not over yet. Again, I don't grok it fully, yet it does make me a little sad. Though I guess it's better than porn...
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Post by Amadan on May 16, 2017 7:48:30 GMT -5
Again, I don't grok it fully, yet it does make me a little sad. Though I guess it's better than porn... Honestly, I'm wondering if she were a porn star, if he'd have any reservations about bragging about how hot she is. I have an icky feeling he wouldn't. His whole attitude, as Cass said, is just gross. You can be the most open-minded, sex-positive dad in the world but it's still creepy to be all "Look how fuckable my daughter is!"
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