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Post by Angie on Nov 19, 2016 11:40:40 GMT -5
Dunno if this really belongs in the politics forum or CE, so I went with my best guess. The Vice President-elect went to a show, apparently. Afterward, the cast had a brief statement for him. And then the President-elect had a hissy fit on Twitter. This behavior is one of the things that really worries me.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Nov 19, 2016 11:56:31 GMT -5
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Post by Angie on Nov 19, 2016 11:58:06 GMT -5
Yep, love that response!
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Post by celawson on Nov 19, 2016 12:15:11 GMT -5
Oh, Donald. Yup, this is the sort of thing I am worried about, too. When half the country is freaking out about him, a different and gracious response would have helped begin to alleviate fears. I can think of about a thousand ways he could have responded which would have been better. Instead, he commands, "Apologize!"
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Nov 19, 2016 12:36:13 GMT -5
Donald Trump ~ the Anti-social Justice Warrior.
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Post by robeiae on Nov 19, 2016 12:42:06 GMT -5
Yes, Trump's response was not smart. He needs to start behaving like a President, or at least not like a thirteen-year-old.
That said...the cast member who read the little spiel and the cast members who were with him acted like entitled, self-righteous snots, imo.
“We, sir, we are the diverse America who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us, our planet, our children, our parents, or defend us and uphold our inalienable rights, sir."
Really? Fuck you buddy, that's what I would have liked to have said if I had been there (I wouldn't have because it isn't the place for such things). Wanna make a political statement?
1) Do it on your own dime. 2) Do it with respect to an actual election or with respect to specific actions, not this weenie "we're scared because we didn't win" crap.
Imo.
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Post by celawson on Nov 19, 2016 12:53:23 GMT -5
I'm torn here, Rob. On one hand, I agree with you. But on the other, the actual words in the statement were respectful, if not the ambush at the venue. Still, for a president-elect who didn't win the popular vote, and for marginalized groups who are fearful (whether or not the fears are unfounded), there could have been an early opportunity for a small gesture to assuage some fears here. Now, given the vitriol we're seeing on the left, it probably wouldn't have gone very far, but perhaps every little bit counts.
BTW,#BoycottHamilton is trending on Twitter. Interesting. (Thatspacebar thinghappeningagain)
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Post by Don on Nov 19, 2016 13:08:07 GMT -5
My "liberal" side says this was an appropriate message, conveyed appropriately. The crowd's pointed reactions during the play, OTOH, were disgusting. Politically Correct Bullying, IMO.
My "conservative" side says "what a bunch of little whiny babies."
My "meet-in-the-middle" side says WTF were they thinking? Sure, it didn't interupt the play and it was done respectfully. But what a load of ammo for conservatives whining about "uppity liberal elites" and "little whiny babies."
I think they showed without a doubt that they're tone-deaf to the concept that Hillary's loss was an example of blowback against identity politics.
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Post by robeiae on Nov 19, 2016 13:11:07 GMT -5
Well, I don't think suggesting that Pence and the new admin don't care about the planet and won't protect people or their rights is particularly respectful. It's a fairly loaded statement and implies the "have you stopped beating your wife" style question of "when will you stopping being evil people who don't care about anyone else, whatsoever?" Or something along those lines. It's not a statement for starting a dialogue, it's a statement for picking a fight and/or putting someone in a corner, imo.
People have every right to be concerned, to be fearful. But if they want any sort of dialogue about the same, at the very least they need to be specific in this regard, and need to allow that their personal fears aren't the same thing as absolute facts.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 13:12:28 GMT -5
Although I agree with Rob's point here:
I'm pretty much on board with Angie and c.e.lawson. (and also Rob "[Trump needs to] start behaving like a President, or at least not like a thirteen-year-old.")
Trump is the president elect. He’s going to get a buttload of criticism over the next four years. Much of it will be just. Some might not be so just. Either way, he needs to get used to it and respond like a grown-up. Presidents can't be having hissy fits and twitter rants every time someone gets them mad. (And yes indeed, this is one of the many things that really worries me about him.)
Here, he surely must know that a lot of people are freaking out that he’s the next Hitler – and that his own behavior and that of his supporters did much to foster that. He should be wanting to show them that they don’t need to freak out, that he’s not a fascist, racist tyrant who wants to turn our country into the Third Reich and yank rights away from minorities. The best thing he could do for our country and for his own administration -- let alone the people who are worried – is to respond graciously and seriously to the content of their message, even if he doesn’t like it.
And taking that quite aside? -- Yanno, they're a bunch of actors. They were civil, and that's all I'd expect. I don't expect them to be presidential. I expect Trump to be presidential.
(I’m typing this into Word and doing a cut and paste to avoid the space bar issue. Other sites seem to be having the same problem. What’s up with that?)
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Post by robeiae on Nov 19, 2016 13:16:43 GMT -5
Maybe I'm just cranky because Arsenal tied Man U and City won again.
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Post by robeiae on Nov 19, 2016 13:18:38 GMT -5
On the spacebar issue: don't use the Quick Reply feature. It's a google issue, not a board issue. And it's sporadic. It's happening for me on a *different* messageboard currently, but not on here.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 13:20:16 GMT -5
That's sportsball game talk, right? I'll bet that's sportsball game talk. I'm getting good at spotting it now.
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Post by celawson on Nov 19, 2016 13:25:59 GMT -5
On the spacebar issue: don't use the Quick Reply feature. It's a google issue, not a board issue. And it's sporadic. It's happening for me on a *different* messageboard currently, but not on here. Thank you!
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Post by Angie on Nov 19, 2016 13:57:05 GMT -5
Well, I don't think suggesting that Pence and the new admin don't care about the planet and won't protect people or their rights is particularly respectful. It's a fairly loaded statement and implies the "have you stopped beating your wife" style question of "when will you stopping being evil people who don't care about anyone else, whatsoever?" Or something along those lines. It's not a statement for starting a dialogue, it's a statement for picking a fight and/or putting someone in a corner, imo. People have every right to be concerned, to be fearful. But if they want any sort of dialogue about the same, at the very least they need to be specific in this regard, and need to allow that their personal fears aren't the same thing as absolute facts. I would agree with you if Trump and Pence had not made specific statements/actions in the near past: - Doesn't believe in climate change (Trump)
- Spoke out multiple times against gay marriage (Pence)
- Believes in "religious freedom" laws which make it legal for businesses of all kinds to discriminate against LGBT people (Pence - this one got walked back, but employers were still able to fire people based on sexual orientation)
and so on. Their own actions and statements have made people fearful for their rights and what's going to happen to environmental protections, among other things. I'm not sure that waiting for a venue that everyone deems appropriate for such conversations will ever make those conversations happen. I'm not saying this was particularly effective, since it'll just fall on deaf ears, but I'm not going to fault people for voicing their fears during what may be their one chance to address Pence directly.
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