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Post by robeiae on Nov 29, 2017 8:26:13 GMT -5
Okay, first let's all remember that this is now a trilogy, with Part I being Intelligence and Part II being Conspicuous Consumption. And there are rules for trilogies, as we all know: Wait a minute, I may be confused... Anyway, so another peacock feather that I outlined and Amadan defined: Sensitive New Age Guy who leans exclusively on his supposed Empathy (empathy is a peacock feather?!?! say it ain't so, Joe!) for women and their issues. Amadan pointed out that this is hardly a new stereotype. Yet, given who has been making news here, I thought maybe there was some more room for exploration. Now we've got Matt Lauer, Glenn Thrush, John Conyers, Al Franken...all guys who where supposedly "down with the struggle," so to speak (Weinstein is a member as well, though now that so much has come about him, it's maybe harder to see it). So what I see here is that displays of empathy for women and their issues represent a long-term strategy to ingratiate oneself to women, based on the assumption that this will lead to sexual access. And in true alpha-male fashion, such access is eventually demanded, because the wrinkle in all of this is that these guys have an added means of inducement: power/authority. Which I guess can represent another obvious peacock feather, as well, when it's not being actively applied. Thus, the current list of peacock feathers: 1) the presentation of (supposed) intelligence 2) conspicuous consumption (i.e. demonstrating how unbelievably wealthy one is) 3) displaying empathy for intended sexual partners' core issues 4) power/authority It seems to me that using multiple feathers is common, and indeed this would logically be the most successful strategy. Trump ticks off numbers 1, 2, and 4, while I guess Weinstein used all of them. Poor ol' Franken seems to have relied on just the one, number 3 (though I guess he also used "humor"; is that another peacock feather?). Is anyone buying any of this? |
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Post by Amadan on Nov 30, 2017 11:13:50 GMT -5
I'm really not convinced that intelligence is a "peacock feather" in itself. Intelligence can certainly be instrumental in producing other peacock feathers, like success (i.e., wealth) and empathy (or the ability to feign empathy). But I don't see intelligence in itself being all that attractive, no matter how many people of both sexes insist they "want an intellectual partner" or "admire a fine mind."
I think humor is closer - humor demonstrates personability and the ability to make someone happy. Hence the other stereotype of guys who aren't very attractive or even successful being good at attracting women because "they can make her laugh."
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Post by Optimus on Dec 5, 2017 23:57:53 GMT -5
1) I still disagree about intelligence being a peacock feather, but I already covered that in the original thread. 2) I'm disappointed that the "conspicuous consumption" thread didn't have anything to do with chewing with one's mouth open. 3) I think we can take Sensitive New Age Guy a step further. Guys who are overtly, unabashedly, in-your-face "Male Feminists" - I'm talking the ones who are the vegans/Crossfitters of feminism where they announce to EVERYONE at every chance they get that they're "a feminist" and willingly and repeatedly refer to themselves as "allies, etc - are creepy AF and you should be very suspicious of them for the "long-term ingratiation" strategy that Rob mentions above. Guys who are that overt, that preachy, and that annoying about letting the world know how "woke bae" they are, are hiding something sinister. It's a major red flag and you shouldn't at all be surprised when the biggest "male feminists" eventually get found out as creepy, pervy, sexual assaulty douchebags: 1) Like this self-proclaimed "male feminist" TV writer of the awful Lena Dunham's awful garbage show, "Girls:" ‘Girls’ Writer Murray Miller Accused of Sexual Assault by Actress Aurora Perrineau2) Or this self-proclaimed "male feminist" reporter for GQ: Male feminist writer fired by GQ Magazine after woman accuses him of sexual assault3) Or this self-proclaimed "male feminist" reporter for Vice: VICE Journalist Commits Career Suicide Following Sexual Harassment And Assault Allegations4) Or this self-proclaimed "male feminist" comedian and "progressive" podcast host: Progressive Performer Jamie Kilstein Ousted From Citizen Radio After 'Disturbing Allegations'5) Or this self-proclaimed "male feminist" atheist and religious historian, one of the founders of the failed "Atheism+" movement, that was specifically aimed at supporting feminist and SJW causes: Summarizing the Current Allegations Against Richard Carrier6) Or this self-proclaimed "male feminist" columnist: Former 'Male Feminist' Columnist Faces Multiple Allegations of Assault7) Or this well-know, self-proclaimed "male feminist" YouTuber (known on Twitter and YouTube as "The Skeptic Feminist") who brutally beat and murdered his girlfriend: ‘Male Feminist’ Aleksandr Kolpakov Now Charged With First-Degree MurderSo, yeah. Stay away from dudes who eagerly, overtly, conspicuously tout that they are "male feminists." I'm not referring to nice, normal, compassionate guys who simply support women's issues. I'm talking about the ostentatiously annoying, in-your-face ones who are absolutely dripping out of every pore with "try-too-hard." Like this guy. He hasn't been reported to have done anything yet, but based on the pattern, he might be one to keep an eye on (I'm half-joking. I think he's full of the "Look at me! I'm the wokest bae feminist on the planet!" because his career is pretty much dead and he's trying to stay relevant and squeeze every drop of juice from his 15 minutes that he can): |
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Post by Amadan on Dec 6, 2017 8:42:34 GMT -5
1) I still disagree about intelligence being a peacock feather, but I already covered that in the original thread. 2) I'm disappointed that the "conspicuous consumption" thread didn't have anything to do with chewing with one's mouth open. 3) I think we can take Sensitive New Age Guy a step further. Guys who are overtly, unabashedly, in-your-face "Male Feminists" - I'm talking the ones who are the vegans/Crossfitters of feminism where they announce to EVERYONE at every chance they get that they're "a feminist" and willingly and repeatedly refer to themselves as "allies, etc - are creepy AF and you should be very suspicious of them for the "long-term ingratiation" strategy that Rob mentions above. Guys who are that overt, that preachy, and that annoying about letting the world know how "woke bae" they are, are hiding something sinister. It's a major red flag and you shouldn't at all be surprised when the biggest "male feminists" eventually get found out as creepy, pervy, sexual assaulty douchebags I'm waiting for the penny to drop on John Scalzi or Jim C. Hines. They've been riding that horse for a while and wowing all the ladies at SF cons with their wokeness. |
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Post by robeiae on Dec 6, 2017 8:55:06 GMT -5
Some of the guys Opty notes--like Richard Carrier--represent a special class of douchebags, I think: professional academics who suppose their "massive" intellect makes them sexually attractive to much younger coeds.
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Post by Optimus on Jan 21, 2018 20:06:03 GMT -5
Sorry to resurrect a dead thread, but I just saw this old Tweet today and had to chuckle, given our conversation here.
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Post by robeiae on Jan 22, 2018 8:32:03 GMT -5
I know I said something fairly similar on a thread here, somewhere. ETA: here it is...Well okay, Oswalt did add the generational angle... |
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Post by Optimus on Jun 11, 2018 19:18:29 GMT -5
Re-resurrecting this old thread because another repeatedly self-proclaimed huge "male feminist" turns out to have been a creeper. As I've said before, anytime some douchebag fervently comes out as a staunch, in-your-face-about-it "male feminist" - you know, the ones who have to brag about it to everyone they see, sort of like feminism's version of vegans or Crossfitters - you can pretty much set your watch to how long it is before these types of skeletons come out of his closet. This time, it is the Prime Minister of Male Feminism himself, Justin Trudeau: Check out the doublespeak he uses for "groping": Yes, you read that right. Trudeau admits he only sexually assaulted her because he didn't think/know she was socially important and had any influence. I don't really think this can be blamed on youth because he was a 28-year-old grown man at the time. Maybe he can use the "affluenza defense?" Full article here: www.buzzfeed.com/ishmaeldaro/justin-trudeau-groping-canada-2000-newspaper?utm_term=.qcwOPmNXg#.nlZg0V3o8 |
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Post by robeiae on Jun 11, 2018 19:55:47 GMT -5
I know it's easy for me to say it now, but Trudeau has always given me that creepy vibe.
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Post by Optimus on Jun 11, 2018 20:49:36 GMT -5
Another thing I've noticed is that this story came out last week and I've yet to see any of the MSM report it. A quick google search shows that Buzzfeed has it, as does Daily Beast and The Hill but, other than them and ultra-conservative garbage rags like Breitbart and Toronto Sun, I'm not seeing any of the so-called "liberal media" touching this story yet.
Guess the far-left's useful idiot is above reproach? If this had been anyone else (like say, Al Franken or Donald Trump), MSNBC, Salon, and every activist journalist on Twitter would be caterwauling for his head on a spike, or at least calling for him to step down.
Personally, just like with some other similar stories in the news, I don't think objectively minor dipshittery from decades ago should ruin someone's career in the present, because I like to think that people learn and grow from experience (I'm speaking about the minor stuff). The serious stuff deserves it, yes, but it would behoove people not to conflate an awkward, drunken hand-on-ass type incident with the horrible depravity of Harvey Weinstein.
The deafening silence about this story in the MSM so far does perhaps (if they remain silent) speak volumes to their lack of logical consistency. I hope I'm wrong and that they do report this in the same way they've reported similar stories involving public figures.
But, I'm also not gonna hold my breath.
Guess it's all #MeToo until it becomes #MeTrudeau.
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Post by robeiae on Jun 12, 2018 8:45:37 GMT -5
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Post by Optimus on Jun 12, 2018 15:31:28 GMT -5
Odd that he claims to have been working on issues around sexual assault for 25 years, because that would make him 21 when he started such work, meaning that he'd been "working on issues around sexual assault" for 7 straight years when he groped that reporter.
Maybe "working on" those issues includes engaging in them too?
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Post by robeiae on Jun 12, 2018 17:54:56 GMT -5
Maybe he meant "mastering them."
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Post by Optimus on Jun 26, 2018 17:24:13 GMT -5
Another thing I've noticed is that this story came out last week and I've yet to see any of the MSM report it. A quick google search shows that Buzzfeed has it, as does Daily Beast and The Hill but, other than them and ultra-conservative garbage rags like Breitbart and Toronto Sun, I'm not seeing any of the so-called "liberal media" touching this story yet. Guess the far-left's useful idiot is above reproach? If this had been anyone else (like say, Al Franken or Donald Trump), MSNBC, Salon, and every activist journalist on Twitter would be caterwauling for his head on a spike, or at least calling for him to step down. Personally, just like with some other similar stories in the news, I don't think objectively minor dipshittery from decades ago should ruin someone's career in the present, because I like to think that people learn and grow from experience (I'm speaking about the minor stuff). The serious stuff deserves it, yes, but it would behoove people not to conflate an awkward, drunken hand-on-ass type incident with the horrible depravity of Harvey Weinstein. The deafening silence about this story in the MSM so far does perhaps (if they remain silent) speak volumes to their lack of logical consistency. I hope I'm wrong and that they do report this in the same way they've reported similar stories involving public figures. But, I'm also not gonna hold my breath. Guess it's all #MeToo until it becomes #MeTrudeau. Aaaaaand, just like I thought, the story never caught wind in the MSM other than barely a mention in one NYT article. Disappointing, but unsurprising. Thanks leftist media. I can set my watch now. |
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