Steelers safety Mike Mitchell on what football is all about:
So let's not try to turn this into some evil, dirty game. It's football. It's no different than UFC fighting. This a combat, contact sport. There's gonna be injuries. That's just what it is. But if you don't want to get injured, don't come out here. This is for real men. This is a man's game.
I think what he said leads to exactly what's in my title. Here's more of his rant (if you didn't click through):
This is a man's game. Ray Lewis said that a couple of years ago, and I stand by that. It's a man's game. If you don't want to be a little kid and get your ass hit, don't come out here. This is for grown men. Straight like that.
To be clear, I find his rant both amusing and sad, and I think it's interesting in context with all of the stuff going on with famous people getting in trouble for their treatment of women (and in some cases, men).
I mean, what he's saying enforces a particular stereotype on what constitutes being a "real man," no? And given that it's coming from a guy in the NFL, which has more than its fair share of knuckle-draggers (i.e. guys who treat women like shit)...
Hmmm. I'm a woman who happens to love the differences between the sexes, and I am definitely attracted to many of the traits we attribute to "real men". And physical toughness and athleticism are both included in that list. And yeah, there's something very tough about a football player that is not the same, say, for a baseball player (except maybe a catcher), or a dancer. So to that extent, I agree with Mitchell. However, that doesn't mean other less physical or even gentle traits are not also on that list of being a real man. And it doesn't mean that other less desirable or even objectionable traits must go hand in hand with that "manly" physical toughness. (like treating women poorly). As a matter of fact, I think a very nice trait of being a "real man" is treating women with respect and even protectiveness, as long as it doesn't venture into being controlling.
I think a venn diagram would be helpful here. Too bad I can't draw one on the forum.
Last Edit: Dec 8, 2017 11:39:27 GMT -5 by celawson
It's kind of taboo nowadays to talk about "real men" in the context of masculine behavior and interests, because gender is a social construct and women can do anything men can do, doncha know.
The reality is that I think the majority of women feel as celaw do - they may not want a knuckle-dragger who abuses them, but given a choice between a manly abuser and a Sensitive New Age Guy, well, feminist theory tells us which one should be preferable, but observable behavior tells us who actually gets laid.
Note: I am being deliberately, exaggeratedly cynical here. I really don't think most women want to be mistreated or disrespected. But I think there is a lot of truth to the "bad boy" narrative. Which is something a lot of feminists overlook in their aghast horror at Trump's election. They just can't understand how anyone, but especially women, would vote for a rich, aggressive, domineering male who talks candidly about what he thinks of women. (Oh, can't they? Can they really not?)
(Btw, celaw, I remember you promising at some point to answer nighttimmer's very pointed questions about how you justify continuing to defend a man who, frankly, sees you as either a grabbable pussy or an unfuckable hag of no interest to him. Care to weigh in now? Yes, I'm being unfair. But also, serious.)
He didn't use the word "real";. He used the word "grown." I take what he's saying as stop whining/being afraid to get hit/injured/etc. (like a little kid), and I think it's obvious he's talking about men in the NFL. His rant was in regard to those who have the physical ability, genetics, and skill to play professional football, not all men. There are plenty of other grown (not to mention real) men who couldn't play professional football for ten seconds without ending up in the hospital. I doubt he would claim they're not grown, let alone real, men.
He wants football to stay (or go back to being) as physical as possible. That's his opinion. Agree or disagree, since football injuries can be serious af, but I'm not seeing what the OP title is claiming either. Also not seeing what it has to do with men's treatment of women.
Last Edit: Dec 8, 2017 17:58:13 GMT -5 by Christine
Okay, I missed that bit. Nevertheless, my point stands: what he is saying is clearly within the context of players in the NFL, same as with the word "grown." Why should we ascribe meaning to this outside of football? Is there really a concern that other men in the world feel less like men because they can't take a hit from a 300-pound linebacker?
As I said, I think the "real" moniker is all played out. I love what that guy did; I think it's awesome. But suppose it turns out that the same guy beats his wife on a weekly basis. Would he still be a "real man"?
Perhaps it's a consequence of our need to define things or people, as opposed to simply describing situations or actions?
Last Edit: Dec 11, 2017 23:15:25 GMT -5 by robeiae