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Post by robeiae on Dec 20, 2017 20:15:24 GMT -5
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Post by Optimus on Dec 21, 2017 0:24:57 GMT -5
Eh...yeah, they goofed, but they're not the only ones. Philip DeFranco also made a similar mistake by showing a pic of RM (Kim Nam-joon) instead of Kim Jonghyun. But, in fairness, it was only one pic out of two that was wrong and he copped to the mistake the very next day. And, yeah, a news outlet should double and triple check stuff like this for big stories but...let's be honest...how big of a story is this in the West? Not very. The overwhelming majority of the western population has likely never heard of K-pop, let alone has ever heard of either of these guys or the groups they're in. But, you know, the internet's gonna internet. If there are any Korean or East Asian people partaking in the Twitter hate, then it's kind of understandable, but not really given that this was American news media and not South Korean. But, I wouldn't doubt that most of the English-based Twitter rage is just a bunch of dog-piling pearl clutchers who have nothing better to do with their time. I could gather 100 Western teens right now and ask them who listens to K-pop (unironically) and actually knows who these performers are, and I'd be surprised if even 10 of them raised their hands (well, I somewhat take that back, because BTS has actually charted over here once with one of their albums a little while back. So, maybe 25 of them). Those are just the teens. The percentage would sharply drop off if we polled across all age groups. This entire thing was basically a Western news media company reporting on a South Korean singer most people over here have never heard of, from a South Korean group most people over here have never heard of, from a genre of music most people over here have never heard of, and their main crime was accidentally playing a clip of the South Korean version of *NSync while reporting on a member of the South Korean version of the Backstreet Boys, because they accidentally did the equivalent of mixing up the name of the South Korean N'Sync's "Justin Timberlake" (Kim Nan-joon) with the South Korean Backstreet Boys' "Justin Bunderbake" (Kim Jonghyun). This is a dumb thing for the internet to get mad at, especially given that the majority of the western people complaining on Twitter who are suddenly big enough fans to be mad at this mistake, likely weren't fans until they knew something existed on the internet that they should be mad at, and will likely forget this guy's name by this time next week. All that said, it is very tragic that a young kid took his life and I think sharing his suicide note was a mistake, given how impressionable kids are who fall into the age range of his fans. ETA: In response to your "they all look alike" title, yeah they kind of do I suppose, but they actually really do. It's a real phenomenon that affects all races (i.e., it's not racist, it's just a psychological artefact determined by the ratio of exposure we have to our own race compared to exposure to other races).
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Post by robeiae on Dec 21, 2017 10:19:04 GMT -5
Well, I can tell you that I heard about this story from my eldest daughter, who just got home from college. This was pretty big news in her circle of friends and--by my reading--her general age group. They're all familiar with K-pop, though it's possible this is more of a European thing.
Now, I put this in general discussion, because my first instinct is to kinda go with what you are saying, that it is a "minor" story. But I thought it interesting just because it's such a ridiculous fail on the part of the news station. How do run a clip of the wrong band from an American TV show, where presumably that band was properly introduced? I hope they fired whomever put that segment together because it really is inexcusable.
But back to the collective consciousness that is the internet...
Are there any smart things for the internet to get mad at? Seriously. As I said, my daughter was all over this story; she wasn't so angry about as she was kinda annoyed that such stupidity exists at a news station. But sure, it's obvious that the tone of the "outrage" on this is much more outragey, is based on the mistake being some sort of horrible, horrible thing, as is so often the case for the internet outrage machine. So when is it justified, do you think?
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Post by Amadan on Dec 21, 2017 10:49:15 GMT -5
I mean, yeah, the reality no one wants to admit is that most Asians (and black people) do look alike to white people. But I lived in Korea for almost two years and I can tell you that the reverse is absolutely true - Koreans, especially those who haven't met a lot of Westerners, absolutely have trouble telling any two vaguely similar size-and-shape white people apart. Hence always being told you look like whatever white movie star has approximately your height and hair color.
So, it's an understandable mistake on a human level, but absolutely one a news agency should not have made.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 11:23:28 GMT -5
Here's a 'fession on my part.
I have a hell of a good memory for words and events, stuff I've read and heard. But I SUUUUCK with faces. White people with similar coloring look alike to me until I know them a bit. Two guys with blonde hair and glasses within two inches and twenty pounds of each other might as well be identical twins. (Oddly, enough, I'm more likely to remember them by voice. I'm weird.)
I've learned to cover for this, but I live in constant fear of someone taking offense -- especially someone of another race. It's not racism. It's my brain on faces.
it's another matter when I've talked to them enough to have filed away all the little things that distinguish them from other blond guys with glasses. But initially, with those I don't really know? Gaah, I'm awful. I wish I weren't.
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Post by Optimus on Dec 21, 2017 14:13:40 GMT -5
I mean, yeah, the reality no one wants to admit is that most Asians (and black people) do look alike to white people. But I lived in Korea for almost two years and I can tell you that the reverse is absolutely true - Koreans, especially those who haven't met a lot of Westerners, absolutely have trouble telling any two vaguely similar size-and-shape white people apart. Hence always being told you look like whatever white movie star has approximately your height and hair color. So, it's an understandable mistake on a human level, but absolutely one a news agency should not have made. Yeah, it's definitely not a "white only" phenomenon. It's consistently found across all ethnicities/races. Black people have trouble telling other races apart, white people the same, asians the same, etc. But, the more exposure people have to various, diverse faces of people from other races, the smaller the cross-race effect. There's also something called a "super recognizer" who is someone with a great memory for faces, even outside their own race. Coincidentally, I always get near perfect scores on super recognizer tests (it's as much of a curse as it is a blessing, trust me. I lost count of how many weird looks/reactions I get from people after barely meeting them once and being able to recall not only their face and name, but personal details they didn't realize they casually mentioned in conversation to me, and I can sometimes even remember what they were wearing when we met, sometimes even if it was a long time ago). Here's one of them if anyone wants to take it. I think this one only does caucasian faces, though, so there's no assessment of cross-race effect in it: greenwichuniversity.eu.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_e3xDuCccGAdgbfT
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