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Post by Amadan on Dec 12, 2018 19:58:40 GMT -5
If a bone saw didn't do it, nothing will.
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Post by Amadan on Dec 11, 2018 22:30:55 GMT -5
As I've said before but you have clearly forgotten, I do not ask for yours or any White person's permission to broach the subject of racism. Never have and never will.
Everything else you just spewed is arguing the poster and not the post.
That line is hilarious in its lack of self awareness.
Because I explained it to you, but you prefer to make up your own version anyway.
Us "pasty white butts" don't have identical opinions about her, but yes, this is the kind of thread you like where you can get a hate boner and snarl because it's just you against the handful of other regular posters. Other threads don't interest you as much.
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Post by Amadan on Dec 11, 2018 20:12:15 GMT -5
What you consider "bullshit," robieae is besides the point. Let's get the obvious out of the way and get down to the relevant facts right here and now. We're ALL on a side here and we're not all on the same side. The problem isn't that I'm categorically incapable of arguing an issue or topic without bringing up matters of race and gender and class and power and privilege. The problem is you don't like it. That's not my problem. Amadan told me to never stop being me. This is me being me. Is this news to you?
I was actually not being entirely sarcastic either.
But I don't know if you really believe that you are just too raw and truthy for your critics to handle, or if that's just part of your performative rage dance, but if you really believe it, you're wrong. You are not shriveling fragile white psyches with your hot takes on race and gender and power and privilege. To echo your so brave assurance that no one here can threaten you, I assure you that no one here is threatened or intimidated by you either.
There is a lot of projection in the things you fling. It's pretty clear that is your problem that you don't like it that people don't sit and quietly receive your racial wisdom. And whether it's for rhetorical effect or not, the impression you always give with your reaction is that you can conceive of no other motivation for resistance than racism.
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Post by Amadan on Dec 11, 2018 16:35:17 GMT -5
I would say you do not understand concepts like "figure of speech" and "sarcasm" but you do, so you're being disingenuous.
For example, calling someone the "flavor of the month" does not literally mean she's going to be forgotten and over in 30 calendar days. (I predict she'll be on the radar at least until 2020, and then we'll see how her career goes.)
"Brown vaginas" was a deliberate reference to the overuse of terms like that in the Social Justice sphere ("the devaluation of brown bodies," "Alexandra-Ocasio Cortez gets less respect because she has a vagina," etc.) This is how people on the left talk nowadays, and you know this. You may be aggrieved and offended that I mock them, but you knew that's what I was doing and pretending otherwise is dishonest. You made it all about her being brown and having a vagina.
Your habit of taking people literally when it serves your purpose, but being eager to suddenly discover nuance and read between the lines, even to the point of fabricating inferences that you know are not intended, is not thoughtful political discussion.
And for an echo chamber, there sure are a lot of threads with me arguing with Don, rob, and Opty.
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Post by Amadan on Dec 11, 2018 12:31:09 GMT -5
"Brown vaginas?" Wooo, we got a bad-ass here! Yeah, that's both racist and sexist in how to characterize Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Donald Trump would be so proud of you, Amadan.
Sarcasm detection fail. Look at all those fucks you don't give. If a Democratic Socialist caucus appears, I will be interested in their proposals. I am not a socialist and don't think going full socialist is a good way forward, but I do not live in fear of a stronger socialist movement. But Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez does not impress me as the person to bring rational socialism to the US. You are the one who makes all criticism of her about her sex and race.
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Post by Amadan on Dec 11, 2018 8:57:44 GMT -5
You'd like to dismiss AOC's race and gender as irrelevancies when it couldn't be more relevant that a great deal of the spite and bile and contempt Ocasio-Cortez receives is based upon both of those factors. I do not believe for one second that the Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Gangbang that frightened conservatives and craven liberals have both engaged in has nothing to do with race and gender. You'd prefer to stay away from those two land mines because most White men don't particularly care to be called out for their misogyny and hostility toward women of color, so they speak in tongues.
AOC wouldn't be hitting the news with every gaffe and economically illiterate statement she makes if she weren't being put forward by progressives and Democratic Socialists as the New Frontier in American politics. She attracts a lot of criticism because she attracts a lot of attention and is being touted as the Hot New Thing, and it's her supporters who are doing that. If she were just a run-of-the-mill mediocre white guy who happened to get elected on a very left-wing platform and then kept saying the things she does, his words wouldn't get circulated much outside the usual right-wing sneerfest. AOC has energized a lot of people who think Socialism is the new flavor of the month, so of course everything she says and does is getting more scrutiny. Is there some sexism and racism to go with that? Probably, but your characterization of her critics (including us here) as only jumping on her because we quail in terror of brown vaginas is puerile nonsense. I would even go so far as to say, "race-baiting."
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Post by Amadan on Dec 11, 2018 7:29:27 GMT -5
Eh, "I probably have Jewish ancestors a few generations back" (listed with everyone else who ever came to Puerto Rico) doesn't strike me as egregious or wrong. If she starts actually claiming a Jewish identity or authenticity to speak on Jewish issues, well...
Elizabeth Warren actually used her alleged NA identity for professional and political advantage.
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Post by Amadan on Dec 10, 2018 21:12:03 GMT -5
So many, many words for so few fucks.
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Post by Amadan on Dec 10, 2018 15:58:42 GMT -5
I'm sorry, I'll try not to exceed my quota of WOC I'm allowed to criticize in the future. For future reference, what is the white dude/WOC criticizing ratio I need to maintain to not be problematic?
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Post by Amadan on Dec 10, 2018 9:40:40 GMT -5
I think more significant than the demand for the apology is the fact that apparently he had already acknowledged he said these things in his past and apologized for them. So his point seems to be, "Do you want everyone who accepts this job to go through every problematic thing they've ever said in their life and apologize for it again first?" Because that seems to be the new requirement.
I guess they can probably get Ellen or Rosie O'Donnell or other extremely left-aligned comedians who check all the right boxes. As long as neither of them ever slip up and make a joke about Jews, or accidentally admit that they wouldn't date a trans woman or something.
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Post by Amadan on Dec 9, 2018 10:38:03 GMT -5
While making snarky comments about abusing your Constitutional powers is not a good look for an elected representative, I feel like a little too much is being made of this. I very much doubt she seriously believed that the minimum age only applies to males, or that she actually intended her comment as a threat.
From what I can see of her deportment, I don't think she's stupid. She's witty and fast on her feet. Unfortunately, she's very "lightly informed" and she shoots her mouth off at almost the same frequency as Trump.
I just went a few rounds with Nighttimer over AOC because criticizing a WOC is "race-baiting" , but even though the left is losing their shit over her like she's the second coming of Bernie in an attractive Millennial package, I think the right is kind of losing their shit over a freshman Congresswoman as if we've never had a mediagenic politician prone to embarrassing gaffes before (*cough*Trump*cough*). My prediction remains she will either settle down and be assimilated into the Machine, or become a one-term Congresscritter and then go write a book and get an MSNBC gig.
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Post by Amadan on Dec 8, 2018 9:22:31 GMT -5
Here. The second Seattle bump cost the average low-income worker $125 a week. That's quite a cut for something that was supposed to help low-income workers. How many studies do you need? A few dozen more are available. The truth is out there, and it trumps belief every time. YMMV.
How does that contradict what I just said?
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Post by Amadan on Dec 8, 2018 9:20:21 GMT -5
I'm not sore. Not at all. Just enjoying you bob and weave and duck and dodge and refuse to own up to your intense and stated distaste for women of color who call out old (and not-so-old) White dudes on their b.s. There's no "wild screed" as much as there is your cowardly evasion of your own race-baiting, sexist denigration of no less than three women of color. Your refusal to own your words speaks volumes about your distaste for women of color who don't stay in their lane. Plus, I do get a giggle whenever you utter pompous drivel such as, "We all see what you're throwing down..." Excuse me? Who the entire FUCK is this "we" you speak of? The Angry White Male? Who appointed you the spokesperson for anyone? It's not that I have faith in AOC and her Democratic Socialism as much as I am entertained and endlessly amused by how much her achievements and success pisses you off. Who knew a first-term Congresswoman would ever be able to rent so much space in the brains of so many of her haters? One would think Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was preparing to become the next Speaker of the House from the vitriol and venom being spat her way.
Okay, you're not calling me racist, just "race-baiting and sexist."
You're not giggling. We all know it, and we all see what you're throwing down.
Never stop being you.
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Post by Amadan on Dec 7, 2018 21:13:25 GMT -5
Actually, I believe most people who support a minimum wage acknowledge that it has a negative effect on the labor market, they just believe the trade-off is worth it, and overall beneficial to workers. They may or may not be correct, and they certainly disagree with you as to how much of a negative effect it has, but don't mischaracterize them as all being magical thinkers. They do not disagree with you on the basic mechanisms of price-fixing, they disagree on the impact.
(I'm talking about actual economists, or people who have some understanding of economics, here. Yes, there are Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez supporters who think you can just magically raise wages and make everyone more prosperous.)
As for shadowy government conspiracies, you seem to be advocating the idea that at the highest levels of government, it was known all along that the USSR was never a credible threat and it was all a scam to pump money into the DoD. Regardless of how much of a paper tiger their economy was, the USSR had nukes, so they were always a credible threat. A better understanding of them might have meant dealing with them more efficiently, but just as the War on Drugs and the War on Terror may frequently be clusterfucks, it doesn't mean drugs and terrorism aren't problems that we should do something about. Yet you seem to think all threats are just manufactured hallucinations by a government looking for a reason to exist
I don't remember anyone, back in the day, saying "Just ignore the Soviets, their economy is going to collapse any day now." Because even if (when) their economy did collapse, it was going to present a threat. (And it did, and our fuckups are part of the reason why it went from, briefly, a democracy ready to join the modern world to Putin's shitshow.)
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Post by Amadan on Dec 7, 2018 21:00:39 GMT -5
It's so odd that I will simply say "Yes, that's what I said, and?" And you go off on a wild screed about pity parties and whining and butthurt. The one who's evidently still sore about me criticizing Maxine Waters and Kamala Harris months ago.
You talk about spidey-senses tingling. We all see what you're throwing down, no need for spidey-sense.
We shall see if your faith in AOC and her democratic socialism is justified.
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