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Post by nighttimer on Jul 1, 2019 6:41:07 GMT -5
Wait, didn't you flounce? Didn't you put me on ignore?
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Post by nighttimer on Jun 30, 2019 21:00:14 GMT -5
I see the Democratic Party doing its absolute best to destroy itself before the election even gets here. Biden is the clear front runner but instead of rallying behind him half the party is trying to tear him down. Why should the Democratic Party rally behind Joe Biden or anybody else? Not a blessed single vote has been cast yet, but you want to skip the primaries and the entire vetting process and go straight to Biden's coronation?
News flash, prozyan. Trump is the one not any serious challenge to the party nomination. Biden does not get a free pass. Nobody owes him the nomination. He has to go out there and earn it. If Biden really is the "clear front-runner" you claim he is, then let him prove it by doing it.
If Biden can't take the heat from Kamala Harris, Donald Trump will eat his ass alive.
I agree with that, Prozyan. And a lot of us are out there saying it -- whether Biden is your favorite candidate or not, it's freaking party suicide for Democrats to try to torch him. For one thing, he's Obama's VP. It's one thing to prefer another candidate, but saying "he's unfit for office" makes us seem like jackasses to have put him there for 8 years. Compete with ideas, rather than trying to create and spread faux scandals and exaggerate his defects. When Democrats trumpet some of that shit, it makes it easier for the Trump faction to use it with swing voters. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Agree that Republicans in our situation wouldn't hesitate to rally around the obvious front-runner. The hope I'm clinging to is this -- looking at the polls, it seems like the attacks are really not making that much of a dent. He remains the clear front-runner among both Democrats and in the general election polls. I'm hoping a lot of the stupider shit fails to penetrate the average voter. Freaking party suicide is hyperbole bullshit. This is how the wheat gets separate from the chaff. Being Barack Obama's veep is all very nice and good for Biden, but it doesn't give him a free pass to the Democratic nomination and it shouldn't. Saying Democrats should fall in line behind Biden because that's what Republicans do is ridiculous. If Democrats want to do what Republicans do, then they should stop being fake Democrats and just go ahead and be real Republicans. As I noted above, the attacks on Bidrn don't seem to be having any effect:
Biden's very bad night has created some very good nights for Kamala Harris.
Not having any effect? It is to laugh.
Don't be duplicitous. Nobody said Biden was a racist. Harris prefaced her remarks with a public disclaimer that Biden was indeed not a racist. Let's get that straight. What Booker is bent about is he called out Biden first about his sucking up to two dead segregationist senators (both Democrats), but it was Harris who pounced on Biden for his praise of Herman Talmadge and James Eastland. That was Harris simply calling out Biden for what he actually said, so how is turning him into some sort of water-carrier for racists. She stole Booker's thunder, but the criticism is entirely legitimate.
Cory is a day late and several dollars short. He'll be back in the U.S. Senate before Harris or Liz Warren will be.
The "mistake" is not in holding Biden accountable for his remarks. The mistake is to say Biden should not be held accountable because he's the front-runner in June 2019 which don't mean a damn thing beyond bragging rights. Agree, that's lame. I'm OK with the candidates criticizing each other for legitimate faults, but if these guys are going to use Biden as a racism punching bag, it's not just factually wrong, it'll unnecessarily turn out to be self-destructive. It is an entirely legitimate criticism to fault Biden for his fond reminiscing of his good ol' days with avowed segregationists like Eastland and Talmadge. Or do you not see how that could possibly offend a critical part of the Democratic base and a much more reliable one than independents and Never Trumpers. Maybe you believe there's an upside to cuddling up to dead bigots, but if that's what Biden says passes for "congeniality" then bring on the conflict.
At the near-certain risk that I will be called off as "obsessing" on race, it is worth observing it was far more disrespectful when Rep. Eric Swalwell said he was only six years old when Biden proclaimed the necessity of passing the torch to a new generation of leadership. Hmmm...what'chu talkin' about, Eric? Are you suggesting the oldest candidate in the race is too old to rally and energize the Democrats behind him and take out Trump? Apparently an overt nod to ageism by a young White dude earns not even a mention round these parts while two Black senators calling out Biden's praise of dead bigots incites pushback and outage.
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Post by nighttimer on Jun 11, 2019 15:05:02 GMT -5
Do you really think I only went back to this thread to ding you?Yes. I know it, you know it. Oh, fuck that noise. You barely know what you know, but even if you did, you would still have no idea what I know.
No, it's really not okay.
Well, which is it? First you said I bumped the thread ONLY to call you out and now you say there certainly was an update worth noting. Make up your mind this going back and forth undermines your claim of what you know. Apparently, you are not aware of how inconsistency cuts the legs out of your feeble assertions.
You are certainly welcome to your biased reasoning and totally incorrect opinion.
That's cute. Even when you bother to try to back up your accusations you fuck it up by dropping the ball. Quoting what I said is only half the equation. NOT quoting what Cassandra said is you covering her ass. Now if in 2019 I have to explain to you why this sort of microaggressions from a White woman to a Black man is entering problematic territory, it really isn't worth the effort to bother doing. Plus, you don't care anyway about race or racism unless it makes White people uncomfortable.
Hey, robieae? Do this. Go back to the first post of this 33-page thread and then answer this question: Where was your angst about a so-called appeal to emotion by posting pics of the victims then? Why is this an issue for your delicate sensibilities over a year later? Because your BFF needs a hero to ride to the rescue?
Your situational outrage and intellectual dishonesty is showing. But then that is what fuels 99.9 percent of your responses to posts you get all up in your feelings about. Y'know, that overemotional irrationality you like to accuse me of engaging in.
Right back atcha, pal.
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Post by nighttimer on Jun 11, 2019 12:07:15 GMT -5
Oh, that's so racist, Angie. Not really sure how, but I'm fairly sure NT will tell us. And how will I do that when you have me on Ignore?
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Post by nighttimer on Jun 11, 2019 12:06:07 GMT -5
Oh bite me, you self-righteous ass. Ooooh...Invective! How so very plebeian of you.
You don't want me to bite you, robeiae. You would lose a body part you would find hard to grow back.
Curses! I have been exposed! My eeeeeeevil plan has been figured out. I only started this thread not because I give a shit about dead kids, but to beat up people on the Interwebs. Yes. It's true! It's all TRUE!!!. That is why I started this thread over a year ago and 485 replies and 5400 views later, someone finally figured out what my real motives were. Damn you, robeiae. I have underestimated you. Bah!
Yeah. Not so much.
Wow. Do you really think I only went back to this thread to ding you? Man, why don't you put that ego on a leash? You are giving yourself a prominence and an importance you do not have. I do not expend that much mental energy on you.
For the record, I went back in the thread not to "ding" you, but to quote your impassioned defense of Scot Peterson in light of the news that he was being charged. In seemed an appropriate time to bump the thread. Should I have asked for permission first?
This thread was not "dead and buried" (a somewhat inelegant phrase considering the subject). It was updated in March after two Parkland students committed suicide. It was updated in May when Kyle Kashuv was outed over his racist online posting. It was updated when Scot Peterson was arrested and charged.
That is not breathing life into a moribund thread. That is not trolling. That is not gaslighting or shitposting in the way Cassandra, Angie, Mikey and you were doing. You gave zero fucks about that, but now you have the elephant nuts to say I don't give a shit about the dead kids of Parkland. And based on what? Because you don't like having your own words served back to you raw and unsweetened? Seriously? That is so rich with irony and totally full of shit at the same time.
Let's take this in reverse order of ridiculousness.
1. "...you started accusing Cass of being a racist."
And this is based upon what exactly? This sentence?
I accused Cassandra for being an apologist of a legal system that is unfair, unjust, unequal and openly hostile to Black Americans and she's fine with it. Being accused of not caring is not the same thing as accusing someone of being a racism. Not even if you and her say it is, it still isn't.
Remember the whole Ron DeSantis thing that you wanted no part of? When I call someone out as being a racist shitbag there is no ambivalence and no equivocation. When I call someone out as a being a racist shitbag, I bring the receipts to prove it.
2. "And when you started to get creamed by Cass, you immediately resorted to using pictures of the kids who were killed."
I got creamed by Cass? Hmmm...I never felt a thing. Thanks for the unbiased analysis of your former moderator's postings. Now do me a solid, bro and point me to exactly where I was getting "creamed" by Cassandra (I'm not on a cutesy nickname basis with her, so I'll call her by the name she presents herself as).
Proof. Evidence. Not hearsay. Not interpretation. Not feelings. Facts. That's the only thing that counts. That's the only thing that matters.
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Post by nighttimer on Jun 10, 2019 21:29:57 GMT -5
Sorry Cassandra, I didn't mean to make you-know-who jealous. I don't know what happened between you two, but here's hoping you-all get it worked out. Backing away slowly.
Edit; I apologize, I very well may have over stepped my boundaries. It's probably more likely that Angie is the target of the jealously. However it is, sincerest good luck
Nothing to apologize for, Mikey. You're simply a hapless villager walking over the troll's bridge. What happened? Dude, have you read any of this thread before it got derailed into a dick-measuring contest? Personally, I don't find a topic based on 17 dead bodies the most appropriate place for a bunch of jokey one-liners. Maybe I just take this shit a little too serious to find the fun in it, but hey, White privilege means never saying you're sorry and provides the opportunity to piss on wherever you feel like relieving your bladder, so I'll just do what I gotta do, post what I wanna post, and ignore the fuckery. I figure if this thread can go this far this long, it can outlast the overt gaslighting. At least as long as Parkland students keep offing themselves, until Nikolas Cruz goes to trial or until another school gets shot up and breaks his body count record. Whichever comes first. What is funny is how Cassandra makes yet another of her snotty disclaimer that she's done/over/kaput/finito/flouncing out of a thread with a flourish, but then hangs around dropping one-liners after inviting over one of her boos for a few rounds of shitposting. Well, eventually the trolls will finish having their fun and withdraw back under their bridge to sup from another box of wine. Maybe then is where the trolls will recall their shit and giggles are coming not at my expense, but at the expense of 17 dead kids and teachers. Or maybe they won't. Can't say I care much either way.
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Post by nighttimer on Jun 10, 2019 14:38:00 GMT -5
Well, yes. But deep conversations are not easily come by, and I've been just busting to talk about my Grand Canyon trip.
Police unions---ALL police unions---are in the business of doing two things and two things only: negotiating contracts and covering the asses of cops, no matter what sort of fuck shit they've done. The proof of this is in the FOP president's remark that "I don't think it's right to judge a person's entire life in 48 minutes." What the fuck does THAT mean?
Serial killers have butchered entire families in 48 minutes. A rapist can alter a woman's life forever in 48 minutes. Terrorists have slaughtered hundreds in 48 minutes. If a serial killer, rapist or terrorist can be held accountable and punished for their actions despite how many little old ladies they have walked across the street, then why should a cop be treated so differently? Why should Scot Peterson get a pass for the 48 minutes he did nothing while civilians died?
Birds of a fucking feather.
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Post by nighttimer on Jun 10, 2019 8:30:39 GMT -5
There have been around 2100 mass shootings since Sandy Hook, accounting for nearly 2400 deaths and more than 8700 wounded. Oh, hello Angie. How nice to see you posting for the very first time since April in a non-birthday shout-out/non-humor related thread which is over a year old and one you had not previously posted in until immediately after I name-checked you as one of the missing-in-action posters.
Until you weren't. Then you got real active. Now If I were a cynical brutha I'd suspect your sudden presence in this thread is almost as if someone called for your assistance and you came riding to the rescue.
Coincidence? Or something else?
Maybe something else.
Well, back to active shooters and the people who are supposed to take them out. There is a fundamental misunderstanding of what the role of a law enforcement officer in an active shooting situation. Securing the perimeter and waiting for reinforcements to arrive may seem like the smart move, but while a lone officer or "security guard" is safe in the rear with the gear, there may be innocent victims dying like flies due to the delay.
That would seem to make sense to most sensible people. When the bullets are flying and the bodies are falling, arguing the niceties and complexities of the law takes a back seat to the saving of lives. That is also simply good sense and a concept most sensible people would endorse. Particularly if they can envision how they would want the police to react were it their child's life at risk.
This apparently excludes some members of The Colline Gate.
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Post by nighttimer on Jun 9, 2019 16:31:12 GMT -5
You're downright presidential, nighttimer. The same argument techniques, the same degree of delusion as to the merits of your arguments, the same degree of disdain for facts, truth, logic, and law, the same resorting to blustering, idiotic insults, the same insistence that you've won a great victory even when you've made a complete bumbling ass of yourself, the same projection of your own behavior, errors, and emotions onto others, the same ridiculous ego that bursts into rage at the lightest tough, the same disproportionate emotional rage in reaction to...well, everything, the same adherence to party uber alles, the same way of regarding everyone who coddles your ego and sucks up to you as allies and anyone who disagrees with you as enemies, the same sneering misogyny and sexism you barely bother to veil. There is no difference between you and Trump but color. Oh, and he has far more Twitter followers. How do you know how many Twitter followers I have?
Are you so silly as to believe comparing me to Trump is going to hurt my feelings? Everything you said about Trump you are trying to pin on me can be said about you. That includes the misogyny and the sexism you direct at other women on a regular basis.
What really chaps your stick is the fact that I know your bullshit and unlike your groupies and fanboys, I will call you on your bullshit.
Being put on "Ignore" means nothing to me, Cassandra.
Take a look around. Take a good look around this board, Cassandra. Here we are almost three years in and this place still doesn't have 100 members. Look at the threads. Who do you see participating and posting? I know who you don't see. You don't see Amadan, Christine, celawson, Angie or even Don all that much around the joint. Truth be told, the day of these types of debate boards has seemingly reached their sunset.
There simply aren't a lot of people left willing to deal with your diva shenanigans, Cassandra. Enjoy your deep discussions with mikey.
Never stop you being you.
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Post by nighttimer on Jun 8, 2019 23:36:56 GMT -5
Projection, thy name is nighttimer. More like, Taketh no shit, thy name is nighttimer.
By the way? You've said more than once you were done with me and had better things to do to spend your weekend scrapping with me. How many posts ago was that anyway?
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Post by nighttimer on Jun 8, 2019 19:36:57 GMT -5
I know chapter and verse how the legal system fucks over Black people on a regular basis and you couldn't care less about any of it. LOVE the goalpost moving to calling me a racist! Beautifully done, given that this case, this defendant, these circumstances, these victims, the applicable laws and all of my observations on any of it, have shit to do with race. Bravo -- I did not see that coming. Though perhaps I should have, since it's what you do.
Oh, for fuck's sake. Play the Victim Card much? Please find in the above quoted sentence where I called you a racist, and I'll make a contribution to your favorite charity and then out of this thread and away from this board forever. But here's a caution: Be careful how much spin you try to put on those words, Cassandra. You're good with words because you're an attorney, writer and poet. Knowing how to wield precisely the right word in precisely the right situation is art as well as a learned skill. Please respect that as a journalist and writer, I'm pretty good with the words as well and don't have to get my brag on over being a New Yorker to know when someone is speaking fluent Passive-Aggressive.
What the entire fuck is your problem, lady? I know you miss Amadan, but don't start imitating his shtick for ignoring all the relevant parts of a post and locking in with a laser focus on ONE fucking sentence, reading it badly, reasoning it out poorly, ignoring what WAS said and lock on to what you THINK was said, then rush to the wrong conclusion. If I should so much as even mention the racial disparities of your shitty "legal" system, your immediate go-to move is to make it all about you.
Now maybe there's a post somewhere on this board or elsewhere when you have been all up in your feelings about the injustices being perpetuated against a Black man, woman or child with the same degree of passion and ferocity as you have displayed for The Broward Coward, but I'm fucked if any come to my mind at this moment. Not saying you never have. Just saying I can't seem to recall the moment.
WAH! The Mean Black guy called ME a racist. Okay, maybe he didn't directly or actually call ME a racist, but he was addressing ME when he started talking about how malicious prosecutors can wreak havoc on Black defendants---WHICH WAS THE SAME THING I SAID IS BEING DONE TO SCOT PETERSON (as long as you leave out the 'Black defendants' part). Whatever. What matters is The Mean Black Guy didn't actually call ME a racist---not actually or directly---but he made me FEEL LIKE HE DID and that's all I need to go into Full Diva Cassandra Mode!
You do you. Here's what I do.
What you're engaging in now a old legal tactic: “If you’re weak on the facts and strong on the law, pound the law. If you’re weak on the law and strong on the facts, pound the facts. If you’re weak on both, pound the table.”
You're pounding the table. Sorry, but I can't hear you. Is your ego so large and your brain so small that you think everything is about you? I am completely over White people getting all butt-hurt and sensitive whenever it is pointed that their sacred "legal" system consistently fucks over Black Americans to a degree totally disproportionate to our numbers. Tell me what part of this is untrue. That should be good for the giggles.
Let's make it plain. Scot Peterson is no Sandra Bland. He's no Walter Scott. He's no Eric Garner, Rodney King, John Crawford, Rekia Boyd, Amadou Diallo, Tamir Rice or Trayvon Martin. What happened to them and so many others are genuine examples of travesties of justice. What is happening to Peterson is not a travesty of justice.
He's not a victim. And neither are you.
Well, there's this.
You've done this sort of babbling mass hysteria/apocalyptic prediction/extinction level event/ bullshit once already. It wasn't a hit the first time and now you wanna revisit it again?
Can we not and say we did?
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Post by nighttimer on Jun 8, 2019 13:54:52 GMT -5
Is there even a chance that prosecutors in Broward County have motivations in this highly emotional controversial case that have nothing to do with correctly enforcing Florida law? I mean, it's not like they are under intense pressure from an hysterical angry public to Do Something and Bring Charges Against That Coward. It's not like in such cases prosecutors have never brought charges that shouldn't be brought. It isn't like the good folks in Broward County haven't always shown themselves to always be a highly competent, rigorously scrupulous bunch. It's not like lots of politicians and voters in Florida aren't especially eager to keep their guns and protect the sacred "good guy with a gun solves the problem" maxim, and hence are extra eager to pretend that if Peterson had been a good guy with a gun he would have been able to save the kids, so hey, we don't need to do anything about guns-- in fact we need more of them. Nah, it's the rest of us non-Florida legal folk, the ones who have no dog in the fight and face no pressure that might affect our analysis, who for some reason are mysteriously biased in favor of the Coward of Broward and determined to twist things any way we can to protect him. But it's touching to know your faith in prosecutors is now such that you simply can't believe they could ever have a motivation to bring ill-conceived, thin charges that really don't fit when an angry public is demanding to see someone hung. That seems a new development for you. I confess your new-found faith exceeds mine. You are making a mistake you make repeatedly. Presenting your side as the calm, cool, rational, thinking ones and the other highly emotional and on the verge of rioting and lynching. Which is totally hot garbage.
The tepid snark aside, I don't have any idea what the motivation the prosecution in this case is. All you have is speculation and conjecture. That's good enough for you to cast aspersions, but it's proof of nothing.
As far as me developing any "faith" in the legal system, that's you talking. Don't play that song for me. I know chapter and verse how the legal system fucks over Black people on a regular basis and you couldn't care less about any of it.
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Post by nighttimer on Jun 8, 2019 0:36:47 GMT -5
Fun facts.
Peterson came up short in ALL of those objectives. So much for the bullshit that he is being made a "scapegoat." He didn't do his job and if you read the SOP's and deny the facts, then YOU have to make the case that he did.
Hmmmm....is there even the vaguest of possibilities the prosecutor might know a LITTLE more about their case against The Broward Coward than all the supposed "experts" do?
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Post by nighttimer on Jun 7, 2019 21:36:53 GMT -5
BZZZT! Oh, I'm SO sorry, but you're about seven hours late with the Reason link. I do appreciate you proving how despite your sanctimonious protests you're only in search of meaningful debate, you undermine yourself by failing to pay any more than lip service to giving a fuck for anyone's viewpoint but your own.
Next time don't steal my links and pass them off as they're your own original idea. It's kinda tacky. Capiche?
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Post by nighttimer on Jun 7, 2019 19:51:32 GMT -5
People like you = irrational people who think insult and ranting are argument. Your insults don't bother me a bit. They're at the level of the crazy guy screaming on the street corner. Being a New Yorker, I cross the street. And the legal world you think you want -- the one where people just decide "NOT GOOD PERSON! PUT THEM IN JAIL!" without an actual legal violation, is an ugly world indeed. You want an actual discussion? Explain to me the legal theory under which you think the Coward of Broward should be convicted and get jail time. Tie it to an actual statute or case and explain how it applies. I'll engage it. Until then, frankly, rant away. I'm done with you. What? This Shit Again?
There is already an active question on the table about The Broward Coward which you have pointedly ignored. Probably because if you acknowledged it there would go your "insult and ranting" and irrationality garbage. Now I'll give you some credit for how skillful you are at ducking the question, but if you're any good at being an attorney, give me some props for being good at being a journalist. I know when someone is ducking a question, so sorry Miz Daisy, I'm not the hired help. You do not get the frame the parameters of a debate I started.
You want an honest exchange of conflicting views? Fine. I'm a gentleman. Ladies first.
Maybe then you'll be worth the time to engage in an actual discussion. But until then...
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