1) people should be better parents and teach their kids respect for others and for themselves 2) people should understand (and young people should be taught) that sex and intimacy should come out of a real relationship with someone you actually know 3) adults should take better care to keep the workplace professional and avoid situations where things could get tricky 3) college campuses should defer to our regular legal/justice systems
Rats are really intelligent animals. We had two for pets several years ago. I used to put washcloths in their cage so they could have a comfy little sleep area, and I could easily throw the cloths into the wash when needed. They also had a little wooden hide house in the cage. One time I came home from work early and the sun was shining through our window right into their hide house, and one of the rats had dragged a washcloth and draped it over their little door to block out the sun. They are amazing pets, really.
On my phone so not able to type much, but to NT - I wish we had video of the meeting. I don't think anyone reporting this knows exactly what was said and how it was said. I think the Tapper explanation about Haiti makes sense.
Tom Cotton and another senator who were present in the meeting (can't remember name and on my phone damn it) have issued a statement that they don't recall the POTUS saying those things. So yeah this looks bad but I still don't know what the truth is, and I have to be skeptical of any news reports about Trump.
And beyond this Trump stuff is the fact that Congress still can't get it together enough to do something about DACA. I suspect Durbin's and the Dem's inability to compromise on this issue got DT riled up. But I still want to know exactly what was said and the context before calling him racist.
Amadan - the part about Trump taking heat - I don't know if you saw the meeting but it was not said with contempt for career politicians. It was said to help facilitate coming to an agreement and it was said in a friendly "let me take the blame" sort of way.
Hmmm...that Week article... it is definitely distorting Damore's memo, as the vast majority of news reports on it did, when this all initially blew up. See the following para from it:
What you don't do, and what Damore did, is to respond by distributing memos in which you calmly explain that your black and female coworkers are too dumb to be your colleagues and that the fact that they have jobs at your company in the first place is bad not only for you but for them. Never mind the racist and sexist premises here or even the questions of decency and propriety, which can only be politely ridiculous fictions for the libertarian mind — doing this is clearly not in your self-interest, pal, and you have no right to complain when you get canned for doing it.
Now, see excerpts from Damore's memo:
I strongly believe in gender and racial diversity, and I think we should strive for more.
Non-discriminatory ways to reduce the gender gap Below I'll go over some of the differences in distribution of traits between men and women that I outlined in the previous section and suggest ways to address them to increase women's representation in tech and without resorting to discrimination.
I hope it's clear that I'm not saying that diversity is bad, that Google or society is 100% fair, that we shouldn't try to correct for existing biases, or that minorities have the same experience of those in the majority. My larger point is that we have an intolerance for ideas and evidence that don't fit a certain ideology. I'm also not saying that we should restrict people to certain gender roles; I'm advocating for quite the opposite: treat people as individuals, not as just another member of their group (tribalism).
I'm going to add this Twitter feed from Jake Tapper of CNN who is trying to get an accurate report of what went down. CLick on it and scroll down to read his info.
The Haiti comment seems understandable. The "s***hole" comment...sigh.
I was actually going to post a new thread with link to a C-Span video of the meeting Trump called between Dems and Repubs in Congress as a sort of pre-meeting for the DACA issue. I was pretty impressed at how Trump ran that meeting, and it was very clear he's not unintelligent nor suffering from dementia, by how he ran that meeting. And it showed that he does approach some things in a new way from career politicians. I particularly liked when he told Congress to let him take heat, that he doesn't mind and actually likes heat, because he isn't a career politician and it is more important to get things accomplished than worry about heat. I was actually excited that something good would be accomplished in a bipartisan way. (It also struck me that in that meeting, those congress people seemed like children who needed hand-holding to get DACA legislation accomplished. What the heck why can't they act like adults and get things done?) Maybe I still will start a thread about that. It was fascinating to watch.
Then this happens. I don't think Trump is dumb about everything. I think he has intelligence, and I think he has street smarts and cunning and a good gut instinct. But he is dumb about these sorts of outbursts. I do think he simply has no filter. He seriously keeps shooting himself in the foot just when it appears he's done things he can legitimately crow about. It's so frustrating.
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I knew this sort of thing, to some extent, would be present in left-wing tech companies. But to this degree? Wow. I'm shocked and plenty dismayed. Then I tell myself, these are the young people being churned out of our universities. And a lot of that shock I felt dissipates and turns into sadness.
It is a concern, however, when we realize how powerful companies like Google are, in terms of control of information. I don't think I would worry as much if they, for example, fabricated running shoes.
I can't agree that Oprah is stupid. Any woman who builds her own multi-billion dollar empire from her humble beginnings cannot be stupid, in my book. Just as Dr. Oz, educated at Harvard, with an MBA from Wharton and an M.D. from U Penn, then a successful cardiothoracic/heart transplant surgeon, can't be stupid.
Was Oprah naive? Willing to believe a snake oil salesman doc with Oz's credentials? A lay person who wasn't able to critically analyze the medical stuff? Yeah. But not stupid. Many people believe in woo woo nonsense for other reasons than stupidity.
Oz, on the other hand doesn't have the excuse of naivete. That leaves greed and the need for fame and adulation, IMO.
I also don't think her world view is distorted that much. She grew up in the sorts of socio-economic challenges that never leave you, no matter how rich you become. She's invested $$$$ into charities that show her involvement in, knowledge of, and sympathy towards real, gritty, difficult world problems.
Note, the above doesn't mean I would vote for her for POTUS. At this point, I would not. Even against Trump.
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Although I can't tell by your post if you're going to stay here and contribute to the forum, I want to say WELCOME BACK. I do hope you stay.
I didn't respond to that thread because by the time I read it, there was already a mod note saying "enough on the typo already"
But I will say that I emailed Christine right then and there and offered her my support and applause for speaking up. I can forward that email to you, NT, if you don't believe me, complete with the time stamp of 11/19/17 1:12 PM.
I do think there can be mean-spirited comments on occasion running through some of the discussions here, and I'm really not sure why that is, given that we came here to get away from that. I'm not referring only to the initial post in question, but the comments after that initial post also, towards Christine, really struck me, TBH. Hence my email to her.
NT, you and I are often on opposite ends of the spectrum of opinions, But I'm no stranger to that "loner" feeling, given my politics. But I have kept coming back because people here are smart, and most people here are considerate and polite, and the discussions are interesting. And YOU can take credit for making numerous discussions here more interesting and more exciting, certainly.