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Post by celawson on Mar 1, 2019 13:34:28 GMT -5
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Post by celawson on Feb 28, 2019 12:31:12 GMT -5
Unlike some professions, my hours aren't regular, and I see patients when they become ill. I need to go in earlier today, and it looks to be busy. Some of you will accuse me of avoiding this thread, but *shrug*. My patients are more important that TCG. Ironically, if I do answer some questions (and I will briefly below), then I will be accused of derail (even though my "derails" have all been answers to other people's questions.) Again, *shrug*. Few brief thoughts: AOC did fine. Still no big surprise at the answers and nothing that the IRS shouldn't already know about. Cass, take a look at your taxes along the year, not simply at your refund. Many folks' refunds are smaller because less was withheld along the way. www.cnbc.com/2019/02/22/heres-why-your-tax-refund-could-be-smaller-than-last-year.html Cohen did a good job of helping Trump with the collusion narrative and the subornation of perjury accusation. Thanks, Michael! I am not claiming Trump is of good character. Or that he doesn't lie. Or that he isn't a narcissist. Or an adulterer. (I don't believe he is a racist, however.) I also do not think he is the evil being some here do. And I think he has America's interests at heart (yes, along with his ego,) This character stuff has been known for a while, and when I voted for him it was out there in the open. He was still a better choice for me than Hillary. I hoped he'd do better in his behavior, but macro over micro. So for me, this hearing did not illustrate anything that was surprising or that will result in Trump being removed from office. What it did show is that folks would rather embarrass and humiliate our sitting POTUS, at a time when he is conducting foreign policy, than support our country, for their own Trump hatred. (This can also be shown in other ways like the insistence that a border wall is an abomination (it's not); another ploy to thwart Trump rather than do what is best for our country.) For NT - Trump's policies with regard to dereg of business and tax breaks/cuts have allowed businesses to expand and have increased jobs and wages. Trump's admin being tough on crime and supporting police, IMO, has been a factor in the decline in crime nationally. www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/2/28/18244633/america-violent-crime-murder-rate-2018. And Trump's criminal justice reform is also something that is a positive for many blacks. We can thank Jared K and Trump for that. www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/how-trump-unexpectedly-garnered-bipartisan-support-criminal-justice-reform-n949706So...IMO, increasingly desperate attempts to embarrass and humiliate Trump, while exposing things many people already knew (eye-roll), while NOT exposing any high crimes or misdemeanors, while NOT exposing anything that can actually remove Trump from office only, IMO, works against the U.S. I have said before, I choose the macro good for our country over Trump's foibles and lack of character any day of the week. And again, I will wait for Mueller (increasingly less patiently) and see what comes of that. But this? It's a circus.
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Post by celawson on Feb 27, 2019 19:03:29 GMT -5
Again, you’re reaching reeeaallly far to make me seem idiotic and wrong. Like — I’m going OFF TRACK about Trump in a thread that’s about Trump. Hahahaha. Ok.
Or, I’m answering questions others ask me about Trump, and I’m going off track. Okaaay
Seriously, we should be able to discuss something without it getting all insulty and personal. Why is that so difficult? Half the country is blue and half is red. Well, I know why it’s so difficult. Which is so deliciously ironic given how often Trump is accused of being mean and coarse and authoritarian.
One could even say it’s hypocritical...
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Post by celawson on Feb 27, 2019 18:18:19 GMT -5
NT do you agree that it is good for blacks to have increased employment under Trump? And that part of this is directly due to his administrations policies?
Do you agree that we spend a lot of money on illegal immigrants? Think of all the government subsidized services many of them use. And that the homeless population in Los Angeles consists of something like 40 percent black?
Do you think we should take care of our own citizens like our homeless before we spend millions on those who enter our country illegally?
I do. Trump does
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Post by celawson on Feb 27, 2019 18:11:58 GMT -5
Who said the list was everyone’s? Or yours? I was asked what I thought he was doing that is good for our country. I. Me. c.e lawson. So I answered.
Sometimes in your zeal to make me look idiotic and wrong, you miss the obvious.
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Post by celawson on Feb 27, 2019 17:06:07 GMT -5
How can you run from a duly elected POTUS who is not impeachable and who is enacting an agenda that is good for the most part? I mean, do we want this country to do well during Trump or not? Or are you willing to hurt the U.S. because Trump triggers you?
Example: holding this shit show hearing while POTUS is in Vietnam is absolutely undermining the U.S. But hey, the Dems are triggered by Trump, so that’s ok I guess.
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Post by celawson on Feb 27, 2019 16:51:41 GMT -5
I’m parking at work. The list of good stuff is pretty long - In no order of importance - - backing out of Paris Climate - same with Iran Deal - increased Russia sanctions - uS embassy in Jerusalem - clamping down on Obama era over-regulation - tax cuts - addressing China in the global market - dealing with North Korea - judicial appointments - good rhetoric against the awful expansion of abortion laws - adding more guts to our presence in the U.N. - being bold enough to tell NATO how it is - genuine attempts at immigration reform from countries overseas - genuine attempt to protectt our southern border - emphasis on VA reform
- ISIS -Title 9 reform - supporting our military - space force - supporting our Border Patrol and ICE agents
All of those are way more important than an affair and hush money to Stormy. Gotta run
MAGA!
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Post by celawson on Feb 27, 2019 15:57:12 GMT -5
Hi, NT.
I just saw your post, I have to run to work. But I will say this:
I'm posting MAGA only to bug Cass and Mark. Yes, I'm trolling. If you'd been called a hypocrite as many times, you might put something at the end of your posts, too.
I know Trump lies, and I know he has affairs, but I haven't seen any evidence thus far of serious illegal wrongdoing that makes me concerned about our country. I don't give a rat's behind about his personal life and affairs. That's his and Melania's private business. What I am concerned about is our country, and Trump has done very much that I agree with here, and to me, that's much more important than his marital infidelity or that he uses tax loopholes in his business like any other billionaire out there.
As I've said before, if serious legal wrongdoings come to light, I'm not going to deny them. But thus far? It's all a game by Trump haters to take him down any way they can. Even if it's embarrassing him to death with the likes of Michael Cohen and a public congressional hearing.
So let's wait and see what comes of this. I think much less will come of this than you here are hoping for.
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Post by celawson on Feb 27, 2019 15:47:42 GMT -5
Good God, people -- it's not Republican outrage at the act of lying, it's trying to get truth about Trump and illegal acts, and how a criminal liar is not, maybe, the best way to get truth. It's not that hard to comprehend. Which, again, makes someone's support for Trump irrelevant. No, it's not that hard but you (and they) are plainly not trying to get to the truth. You know how we know? They haven't asked any substantive questions about who knew what, or when. Why? Because they don't care. They don't want to know. All they want to do is smear Cohen (not hard, I admit) and discredit what he says. Show me where they've pushed him for substantive answers on actual events.
Also, I would note that the guy they are painting as a crook and a liar (and he's both, sure) didn't become one overnight. This crook and liar was Trump's personal fixer and lawyer. Do you really expect any reasonable person to believe that Trump had no idea how crooked he was? More specifically, I would argue thatthat he hired Cohen precisely because he'd do crooked things for Trump, things that Trump didn't want to do himself.
celawson, this crooked mo-fo Michael Cohen was Trump's main man. So either Trump was the dumbest shit on the planet having no idea his lawyer was a crook, or he knew and liked it that way. Which is it?
ETA: on the issue of Cohen being dodgy his whole career, inclduing when he worked for Trump, Trump's own camaign are saying, in part: "Cohen’s wide array of crimes were ‘marked by a pattern of deception that permeated his professional life’."
I think Trump knew his lawyer would go to certain lengths for him, sure. And likely unseemly stuff of course. But did he know just how crooked Cohen was? I don't think so. I doubt Cohen informed Trump of all of his tax fraud and such. And does this mean Trump wanted Cohen to help him with seriously illegal actions? Or are we talking stuff like stupid hush money and Stormy Daniels?
I keep waiting for serious illegal stuff to come to light. It's been a long time. I haven't seen that . And this hearing with Cohen hurling insults and accusations about private conversations with Trump meant to embarrass him or his family is not the legal seriousness I was looking for.
Which questions by Dems illustrated evidence Cohen has that is serious enough to get Trump in legal trouble?
OK I'm heading to work. (You know, busy, busy, busy....)
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Post by celawson on Feb 27, 2019 15:25:21 GMT -5
Good God, people -- it's not Republican outrage at the act of lying, it's trying to get truth about Trump and illegal acts, and how a criminal liar is not, maybe, the best way to get truth. It's not that hard to comprehend. Which, again, makes someone's support for Trump irrelevant.
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Post by celawson on Feb 27, 2019 14:56:07 GMT -5
I don't know for sure, of course, but I strongly believe that every accusation Cohen is making, Mueller has not just heard weeks/months ago, but also has corroborating evidence for. I see this as a preview of SOME of the Mueller report, delivered by a very imperfect vessel. As to Cass's point, whether Trump is "going down," I very much hope so. The issue will be whether Trump supporters decide everything Mueller has to say is a lie or "fake news." I fear we're at a point where those who have thrown their support Trump's way will never see anything except what they want to. Also, it's not lost on me that those Trump backers at the hearing, and here, have essentially two talking points for Cohen: "You're a liar, and you're lying to profit from it." That's how they're defending the most mendacious president ever (indisputable, surely?!) and a total grifter. Again, echoing prior discussions here, does Trump's history of lying have any relevance to the veracity of what Michal Cohen is saying about him?
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Post by celawson on Feb 27, 2019 14:18:51 GMT -5
Bringing a criminal liar to a hearing who admits he discussed this wirh congressional Dems like Schiff prior is NOT a shit show for the Dems?
And I’m the biased one. HAHAHAHAHA. I can’t take you seriously anymore either.
MAGA!
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Post by celawson on Feb 27, 2019 12:57:35 GMT -5
Wow, maybe Jordan didn't go as far off the rails as I suspected:
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Post by celawson on Feb 27, 2019 12:50:11 GMT -5
Which of the factual assertions are you referring to? That Trump made racist comments in private with Cohen? That Trump said Don Jr. has bad judgement, in privacy with Cohen? That Don Jr whispered something about a meeting to Trump?
This is like kindergartners calling each other names. And it's so clearly about Cohen getting revenge. But for Congress to take this seriously, it's actually silly.
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Post by celawson on Feb 27, 2019 12:14:46 GMT -5
Yeah, Gaetz is a hothead, and that Tweet seems to have crossed a serious line. I say "seems" because I'm not a lawyer. This hearing is a shit show from both sides.
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