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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 10:51:16 GMT -5
Another fun stock market meme:
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Post by Vince524 on Feb 6, 2018 12:40:17 GMT -5
I blame my sister in law. 0ut of curiosity, Vince, is there anything you DON'T blame your sister-in-law for? The Phantom Menace & Jar Jar Binks.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 12:48:16 GMT -5
0ut of curiosity, Vince, is there anything you DON'T blame your sister-in-law for? The Phantom Menace & Jar Jar Binks.
Let me know who gets the blame for those. That offense should entail flogging, at a minimum.
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Post by prozyan on Feb 6, 2018 16:24:06 GMT -5
It pains me to say it, but the broad point Hannity made wasn't wrong. Blaming it on Obama was, but the point in general was correct.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 16:43:24 GMT -5
You mean the point about the era of cheap money needing to come to an end? (ETA: Heh. I believe Hannity likely thinks blaming it on Obama WAS his main point, since it usually is, when he isn't blaming Hillary or the Deep State or Congressional Democrats for anything remotely negative. I really cannot bear Hannity. He's just the worst.)
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Post by michaelw on Feb 6, 2018 17:17:09 GMT -5
But I think we can all agree Obama's role in the Dow plunging--while terrible--was nothing compared to his ham-fisted response to Hurricane Katrina.
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Post by robeiae on Feb 6, 2018 18:50:33 GMT -5
Just to throw my several cents in, since I haven't commented on this issue:
1) I don't think the drop was a correction at all (the market is still overvalued, imo). It was just people taking gains in preparation for an expected interest rate hike in the near future. And as is usually the case, the world markets reacted as if it was a correction (US markets do the same) which kinda compounded the drop. Little feedback loop there.
2) The two parties and the clueless tools in the media have forever been blaming/crediting Presidents for the economy in general and the stock market in particular. Of course to be fair here, many economic advisors--along with Presidents themselves--actually claim the power to make the markets rise via policy, the unemployment rate drop via policy, and the economy grow via policy. And to be more fair, people--even intelligent people--eat this shit up when it's their guy in office.
3) I don't think Trump is responsible for the market shooting up or for it dropping this last week. But...he is getting out of the way of things, ala Bill Clinton, which id better--by far--than the Obama or Bush approaches.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 19:11:42 GMT -5
Oh, I don't think he's so much getting out of the way as he is stumbling about, generally smashing into things but occasionally lucking out and landing in a chair.
I cannot watch this president in action and think he has anything like a coherent plan -- certainly not for more than ten seconds together, since he seems to change his mind with every person who manages to grab his ear and has no problem contradicting himself in two consecutive sentences.
Someone on Twitter described his brain as six angry bees buzzing madly about in his skull. The image works for me -- though, as Opty has shown us, bees are actually quite a bit more intelligent and infinitely more patient and cooperative.
But yeah, the market is still overvalued, and if this doesn't turn into our big correction (volatility and big swings won't surprise me), it's coming, and soon.
And yes, the parties and the media always do claim credit for the market. And yes, to some degree Presidents boast of it, too. But I don't recall any of them claiming credit to quite the same degree and quite so often as Trump does. He claims he inherited a shitty situation on the edge of disaster and made things boom -- neither assertion is true. And then too -- it's just astonishing to me the degree to which he claims credit for everything that looks good, and when it turns on him, it is always, always, always, someone else's fault. And his defenders back him up every step of the way.
I almost hate arguing (as I must) that the big dip wasn't all Trump's fault -- because he and his supporters will absolutely take those arguments as "Yeah! not his fault! It's Hillary's emails! (or whatever)!" but not be the least abashed about continuing to smugly brag when the market goes up that it's all due to Trump's brilliance. And that's why I DON'T mind enjoying, just a little bit, that the damn market plunged. At least I get the dreary fun of watching Trumpites scramble for excuses.
To some extent, this happens in other administrations, sure. But here, it's like someone turned the dial way the hell up from background noise to unbearable.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 20:39:50 GMT -5
Down another thousand points today. The Dow is below 24K now, and seems likely to reach Prozyan's predicted bottom of 23K. Let's hope my (lower) predicted bottom is just my pessimistic nature being pessimistic.
Trump has wisely decided to stop bragging about the stock market, and now is tweeting constantly about God. To note, Trump did not appear to have any faith at all before he became president -- did not attend church, never talked about faith, nada. And actually, until recently, his tweets never got into faith either. These suckers read like Pence wrote them. To be fair, out of Pence, they'd sound more sincere. Out of Trump, they sound like "oh, shit, the market is tanking -- better distract with God!"
His last tweet about the stock market seemed to come pretty close to asserting it is being rigged by the Deep State (a claim some of his reporters actually are making, by the way):
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Post by prozyan on Feb 8, 2018 20:46:59 GMT -5
23k will be the hard support. The markets will continue to bounce like a rubber band until all the hedge fund managers extract themselves from the VIX and similar funds or go belly up.
It will be hard for even the massive short sell-offs to drive the market below that point since there is nothing fundamentally wrong with the market or the companies behind the stocks.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 20:55:17 GMT -5
23k will be the hard support. The markets will continue to bounce like a rubber band until all the hedge fund managers extract themselves from the VIX and similar funds or go belly up. It will be hard for even the massive short sell-offs to drive the market below that point since there is nothing fundamentally wrong with the market or the companies behind the stocks. You're not taking the Deep State conspiracy into account, Prozyan.
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Post by prozyan on Feb 8, 2018 21:26:40 GMT -5
Well, Trump did take credit for the soaring market. What better opportunity for Soros and his cronies to damage Trump's reputation than by tanking the market? So this billionaire gets together with a few of his cronies and orchestrates a dazzling sell off that sends the volatility index soaring. This causes the inverse volatility index the crash. As this had become a favorite place for hedge fund managers to "hedge" their potential losses, this resulted in massive losses among hedge funds. They had to sell off equities to remain solvent, leading to further panic selling. The result: a fixed market crash orchestrated by elements of the globalist left all in the hopes of derailing Trump's credibility.
Good enough?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 21:59:32 GMT -5
The Trump administration should put you in charge of manufacturing its conspiracy theories, Prozyan. You're way better at this than Hannity and Alex Jones.
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Post by Vince524 on Feb 9, 2018 8:33:19 GMT -5
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Post by Don on Feb 9, 2018 9:32:01 GMT -5
Wrong thread, Vince524 ? Or are you saying the groping caused the stock market crash?
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