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Post by Don on Feb 27, 2018 11:13:21 GMT -5
Yep. Devil's in the details.
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Post by Don on Feb 27, 2018 11:28:55 GMT -5
It's worth noting that the article you quoted is on Steemit, a blockchain-based social network that rewards popular authors and commenters with a cryptocurrency called Steem. So we're discussing a bogus blockchain and cryptocurrency and the concepts of blockchain and cryptocurrency by referencing an article about the bogus blockchain and cryptocurrency on a platform that uses both blockchain and cryptocurrency legitimately. That's pretty freakin' Meta if you think about it.
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Post by maxinquaye on Mar 3, 2018 18:28:58 GMT -5
Socialism funded by oil revenues coupled with government corruption. Worked great when oil was $100+ a barrel. Not so well when it wasn't. That is, of course, a simplified version of the basic truth. How do you explain Bolivia then?
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Post by prozyan on Mar 3, 2018 18:34:08 GMT -5
You mean its move from unbelievably poor to just extremely poor?
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Post by maxinquaye on Mar 3, 2018 18:50:05 GMT -5
Bolivia is not that poor. Compared to the US or Europe, yes it is. Compared to other Latin American countries, not so much. It's GDP per capita is about $7800, putting Bolivia in the middle road of Latin American countries. Venezuela has $11000 gdp per capita. Peru has $6600 and Ecuador has about the same. Bolivia is a raging success story that's skyrocketing up the GDP charts, and has consistently had the largest GDP growth in Latin America. Thanks to the policies of Evo Morales.
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Post by Don on Mar 4, 2018 7:40:47 GMT -5
Bolivia is not that poor. Compared to the US or Europe, yes it is. Compared to other Latin American countries, not so much. It's GDP per capita is about $7800, putting Bolivia in the middle road of Latin American countries. Venezuela has $11000 gdp per capita. Peru has $6600 and Ecuador has about the same. Bolivia is a raging success story that's skyrocketing up the GDP charts, and has consistently had the largest GDP growth in Latin America. Thanks to the policies of Evo Morales. www.heritage.org/index/country/boliviaSounds just terrific.
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Post by maxinquaye on Mar 4, 2018 9:22:11 GMT -5
Rebekah Mercer's little pet project is your source? I'd go somewhere more... neutral. Here. It's Wikipedia, but it's far better than Donald Trump's pet think tank. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Bolivia
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Post by robeiae on Mar 4, 2018 11:02:29 GMT -5
"Donald Trump's pet think tank"? Lol. I think it's fair to say Bolivia is in a better place than Venezuela. Still, Bolivia's GDP per capita is not what you claim, from what I can see. The most recent data I can find puts it at $3105, not $7800. That's not "middle of the road." It's near the bottom.
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Post by Don on Mar 4, 2018 11:29:36 GMT -5
Rebekah Mercer's little pet project is your source? I'd go somewhere more... neutral. Here. It's Wikipedia, but it's far better than Donald Trump's pet think tank. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_BoliviaThe Wikipedia entry makes Bolivia sound so much better than what those evil peeps at Heritage reported. Oh, wait, no it doesn't. The official currency is sinking much, much faster than the US dollar, which has itself been inflated considerably since 1987. The 2018 boliviano is worth 14 1/2 cents in US dollars. That means it's lost 85.5 percent of it's purchasing value against the dollar in 30 years. And the boliviano was an attempt to reboot a seriously-ailing economy. The people don't even trust their own currency, and who can blame them when their currency is sinking way faster than the US dollar? The employment market sucks, too. The Human Development Index is nothing to write home about, either, even compared to other countries in the region. The service industry is in terrible shape. But even with widespread unemployment, there are still opportunities for children and those who don't want to work. Hardly a stellar economic situation.
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Post by maxinquaye on Mar 4, 2018 13:15:57 GMT -5
"Donald Trump's pet think tank"? Lol. I think it's fair to say Bolivia is in a better place than Venezuela. Still, Bolivia's GDP per capita is not what you claim, from what I can see. The most recent data I can find puts it at $3105, not $7800. That's not "middle of the road." It's near the bottom. Yes, because Rebekah Mercer, on the board of the think tank, loves Donald Trump. It has become Donald Trump's cheerleading outfit. You conservatives should really clean house. And doubt everyone tainted with the oligarks' money. And the Bolivian GDP comes from your own government. GDP - per capita (PPP): $7,500 (2017 est.) $7,400 (2016 est.) $7,200 (2015 est.) note: data are in 2017 dollars
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 13:38:13 GMT -5
Just dropping in to note that the Mercers are scary.
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Post by prozyan on Mar 4, 2018 15:41:51 GMT -5
"Donald Trump's pet think tank"? Lol. I think it's fair to say Bolivia is in a better place than Venezuela. Still, Bolivia's GDP per capita is not what you claim, from what I can see. The most recent data I can find puts it at $3105, not $7800. That's not "middle of the road." It's near the bottom. Yes, because Rebekah Mercer, on the board of the think tank, loves Donald Trump. It has become Donald Trump's cheerleading outfit. You conservatives should really clean house. And doubt everyone tainted with the oligarks' money. And the Bolivian GDP comes from your own government. GDP - per capita (PPP): $7,500 (2017 est.) $7,400 (2016 est.) $7,200 (2015 est.) note: data are in 2017 dollars I'll accept those numbers. From your own data, it is still well below....Venezuela. Not exactly the "raging success story" claimed. That said, I fail to see what this has to do with Venezuela or the causes of the collapse of the Venezuelan economy.
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Post by robeiae on Mar 4, 2018 16:20:37 GMT -5
And the Bolivian GDP comes from your own government. GDP - per capita (PPP): $7,500 (2017 est.) $7,400 (2016 est.) $7,200 (2015 est.) note: data are in 2017 dollars Ah, PPP. Fair enough. But that doesn't help you at all. For GDP per capita (PPP), Bolivia still isn't middle of the road, is it? Much closer to the bottom than the top. Right?
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Post by robeiae on Mar 4, 2018 16:25:07 GMT -5
I'll accept those numbers. From your own data, it is still well below....Venezuela. Not exactly the "raging success story" claimed. That said, I fail to see what this has to do with Venezuela or the causes of the collapse of the Venezuelan economy. It's just an attempt to defend socialism, I guess. Bolivia--even if one allows it has made some improvements--isn't really the case study for such a defense, however. Because at the end of the day, any improvements it has made reflect a reliance on capitalism outside of Bolivia, proper.
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Post by robeiae on Mar 6, 2018 8:02:30 GMT -5
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