The visual of the guards wearing masks reminds me of that prison without heat and power over the winter. While this is worse because it's children, I think this is a reflection of what we've become as a society. These conditions are so inhuman that guards have to wear masks. Where is the outrage? We shrug at prisons because hey, they're bad guys and they're getting what they deserve, right? And these kids? It's not our fault, it's the fault of their parents for bringing them here.
Post by CassandraW on Jun 23, 2019 11:25:09 GMT -5
Indeed, we are broken.
In case anyone wants to argue that this is all a mistake and they were short on supplies, etc.-- no. No, it is deliberate. The administration is rejecting offers of supplies for the children. See, e.g.:
"Look up some of the reports and photos from past family detention centers to understand what I'm talking about. I personally saw the situation at the Artesia Immigration Detention Center and it was terrible."
This isn't this administration. This is business as usual for the past three decades. Artesia under Obama, Deming under Bush, on and on. All similar conditions. The situation is horrible and has been horrible for a long time.
And neither party is interested in fixing it but just want to use it as a club to whack the other party with.
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Post by CassandraW on Jun 23, 2019 17:42:05 GMT -5
First, I do agree with you that things were also bad under previous administrations, though it wasn't widely known.
Second, though, you're entirely wrong that it was EQUALLY bad. Things are far worse now. One fact alone speaks to that: 8 children have died in the last several months; none died in the previous 10 years.
See also, e.g.:
(Many of the links I have posted in this thread touch on the fact that things have become far worse, and why.)
Third, even were it true that things have always been this bad (again, they haven't)? I don't give a flying fuck, tbh: it needs to stop. As one of the judges said in the video I posted above, the kids don't need to have Egyptian cotton high-thread-count sheets, but toothbrush, soap, a reasonably comfortable place to sleep without 24/7 lights, medical care, acceptable food?
This is not acceptable. Even if it were acceptable for adults (under the Geneva convention, it would not be for prisoners of war, just saying...), for children. No. NO. NO.
One part of the reason things are so abysmal for the children is that they've been taken from their parents and have no adult to watch out for them, and despite what Trump tries to say, that's a Trump thing, not an Obama thing.
But seriously, the fact that kids were NOT dying during the Obama administration, and ARE dying now -- doesn't that right there kinda tell us that maybe this isn't just Trump derangement syndrome? And I can't say it enough -- who cares? Can we fight to stop toddlers from dying before we determine the precise degree to which we can apportion political responsibility here?
As Vince said, we're broken.
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Post by CassandraW on Jun 23, 2019 19:26:20 GMT -5
And sorry to get a little emotional about it, but --
This isn't just about the kids who have died, past tense, and we're sorting out blame. There are thousands of these kids RIGHT NOW living under these horrifying conditions. Many are sick. Some may be dying. If this doesn't stop, more WILL die. And they're not in some far-flung country -- they're in the custody of the U.S. Government. It isn't that we can't afford to give them humane conditions -- they are TURNING AWAY offers from charitable organizations and individuals to help provide essentials and care for these kids. It isn't that they arrived in this condition, and it isn't even like all we did was fail to provide them with stuff (though that would be bad enough, when what we're talking about is soap, toothbrushes and blankets). WE TOOK STUFF AWAY FROM THEM -- their parents, clothing, medicine, toothbrushes, diapers, food, period pads, toys that they brought with them. We took what little they had, and threw them in a icy cage lit 24/7 with brilliant light to sleep on concrete floors with filthy clothing, and there they are, as we sit here -- miserable, traumatized, sick, shitting and bleeding and vomiting their one set of clothing, and dying.
One of the priests I follow on Twitter tweeted something to this effect "if your priest, minister, rabbi or spiritual leader is not talking to you about these children and urging you to action, find another place of worship." I agree, with all my heart. I'd add that all of us, including we atheist types, should be contacting our representatives to demand they do something. For the cost of one of Trump's golf weekends, I'm betting we could get soap, toothbrushes, diapers, and adequate bedding for these kids. Seriously. Hell, I'm betting if they'd allow donations, in a 24 hour gofundme we could pay for it. But they're turning away donations because it's not about cost. It's not even about carelessness and indifference (though certainly that factors in, and always has). Cruelty is the point.
These are children. Lots of them are toddlers. They didn't do anything wrong. They're helpless. They're in our care. We can't let this continue.
And if we do, we are monsters.
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