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Post by markesq on Aug 24, 2018 11:22:13 GMT -5
I never doubted them, either.
Also, that wasn't a lie he told on AF1. He said "no" to that question, but in fact knew about it afterward, so in fact when he said "no" he obviously meant "yes." Duh.
I am beginning to wonder if we're going to have to sit tight for the rest of the Cheddar-in-Chief's four-year term, with Congress (thanks to Dems not Reps) holding his lunacy down as much as possible. Then, when he's defeated in 2020, charges can be filed and he can finally go to prison where he belongs. I can't see Dems taking the House and Senate, which means no impeachment, and the prevailing legal wisdom appears to be that a sitting president cannot be indicted on criminal charges (a discussion about that might warrant its own thread, actually).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2018 11:28:12 GMT -5
And then there is the Manafort thing. Keep in mind that there is at least one other trial coming for Manafort. Also keep in mind that with regard to the ten charges in this last trial, Manafort was not acquitted -- it was a mistrial where 11/12 jurors thought he was guilty as hell. Therefore, I'd bet prosecutors bring those charges again.
Keep in mind that Manafort's shady financial dealings and his Russian contacts are tied into Trump. He was brought into the campaign for a reason. Manafort was a big part of why Trump got the Republican nomination, and I am certain a big part of why the Republican platform was subsequently altered to go easier on the Russians. Manafort was in the Trump Tower meeting with Russian agents seeking to provide illicit dirt on Hillary, in return for ....well, what do you think? I know what I think.
And that is all APART from Mueller's investigation. That is all APART from what the Trump Organization CFO and Pecker have and wanted immunity for providing.
I know we all got into "oh, no big deal, Trump is teflon" mode, but we are in a different place now. This isn't about the pussy-grabbing tape and whether celaw can somehow overlook it. This is about multiple serious felonies of all kinds perpetrated by our president, his chosen colleagues, and his campaign.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2018 11:40:24 GMT -5
Another thing -- It may not necessarily be Congress saying "oh, gee, these crimes look bad, let's impeach." That's not the only way Trump comes down. Trump is obviously foaming at the mouth with fear and rage. Hence his 1 am all-caps rage-tweets. He's been making near-constant threats, veiled and otherwise, to ditch Sessions and replace him with another AG who will fire Mueller and end all this. Ben Sasse, for one, has spoken up and said that he won't vote to confirm another AG if Sessions is fired for not being a political hack. I am betting other GOP Senators feel the same way. I do not think a Saturday Night Massacre scenario will fly with a lot of GOP senators and congress critters, not in light of what is currently happening with Cohen, Manafort, et al. If Trump's fury leads him there -- does anyone think that's unlikely? -- I think that might be enough for the House and Senate to act. I truly do not think impeachment or a forced resignation is impossible. It will be unbelievably fucking ugly, though. And if it doesn't happen, I think a primary challenger to Trump is EXTREMELY likely. Remember that Republicans stuck by Nixon -- until they didn't.
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Post by Amadan on Aug 24, 2018 11:42:33 GMT -5
I know we all got into "oh, no big deal, Trump is teflon" mode, but we are in a different place now. This isn't about the pussy-grabbing tape and whether celaw can somehow overlook it. This is about multiple serious felonies of all kinds perpetrated by our president, his chosen colleagues, and his campaign. Even if true, there has to be the political will to prosecute those felonies.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2018 11:46:04 GMT -5
Time will tell.
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I think New York state has the political will....
If not while Trump is in office, at least when he is out of office.
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Post by Optimus on Aug 24, 2018 12:01:30 GMT -5
No matter what happens in the next month or so, talk of impeachment will be tempered until after the midterms. Nobody wants that albatross around their neck right now as it could sway voters in either direction (depending on the district).
If the supposed "blue wave" does indeed happen (fingers crossed), then I think talk of impeachment will definitely happen and could actually be taken seriously (i.e., would actually have some weight behind it).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2018 12:20:22 GMT -5
No matter what happens in the next month or so, talk of impeachment will be tempered until after the midterms. Nobody wants that albatross around their neck right now as it could sway voters in either direction (depending on the district). If the supposed "blue wave" does indeed happen (fingers crossed), then I think talk of impeachment will definitely happen and could actually be taken seriously (i.e., would actually have some weight behind it). I agree. If you'll notice, Democratic congress critters and Senators are not talking impeachment (I actually see more Republicans on this topic). This neither surprises nor discourages me, not one bit. Not only are midterms coming up, as Opty points out, but things are evolving extremely quickly, and it's clear there is far more to come out. Why would Democrats make the push now instead of waiting just that leetle bit when they will almost certainly be on much more substantial ground? And as for Republicans -- do you notice how many Republican reps and Senators have rushed to defend Trump on the Cohen and Manafort stuffand the news coming at us on pretty much an hourly basis? Yeah, that's right -- not many. They may not be overtly calling for his head, but neither are they "oh, this is a nothingburger". I suspect many of them are teetering on the fence of what to do, awaiting further revelations (and oh, they will come), but also waiting for the midterms. And there is one more thing they want very very badly -- Kavanaugh's confirmation. At some point, neither of those two things will be in play. By that point, I suspect that a lot more dirt will out. At that point, we're fairly likely to have Dem control of the House. I'm wondering how many GOPers in the House and Senate are going to be willing to stick by Trump then. At some point, they stand to lose much more than they gain by supporting a deeply compromised POTUS. (A prediction -- at some point, and it may not be far in the future, a big pile of GOPers are going to claim they never supported Trump, not really.)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2018 12:49:09 GMT -5
LOL -- George Conway, if you didn't know, is Kellyanne's husband, a lawyer, and a firm NeverTrumper. You've got to wonder how things play out at the Conway home...
Retweeted by George Conway:
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Meanwhile, Kellyanne is doing this shit:
Frankly, no one should give Kellyanne a platform anymore. She's a lying liar who lies, and that's all she is.
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Post by markesq on Aug 24, 2018 13:11:58 GMT -5
I'm so curious, how on earth do KAC and GC live together? Do they just avoid talking politics? But how's that even possible? I know I couldn't remain married to someone who supports Trump so blindly, someone so willing to lie and cover for him. How can a married couple see the same thing so very differently, and remain friendly let alone married?!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2018 13:30:02 GMT -5
I'm so curious, how on earth do KAC and GC live together? Do they just avoid talking politics? But how's that even possible? I know I couldn't remain married to someone who supports Trump so blindly, someone so willing to lie and cover for him. How can a married couple see the same thing so very differently, and remain friendly let alone married?! I wonder this every time I see him tweet or her give an interview. They are poles apart -- she defending Trump at every turn, regardless of what ridiculous contradictions she's forced to make to do it, and he clearly regarding Trump as a danger and a desecration to the nation. If you haven't seen this article, it's fascinating: www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/she-works-for-trump-he-cant-stand-him-this-is-life-with-kellyanne-and-george-conway/2018/08/15/3b89b82a-9b46-11e8-843b-36e177f3081c_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.a1f085b48700(To note -- George initially supported Trump and then did a total 180. So I suppose he's not so much a NeverTrumper as a born-again NoTrumper.) A Republican and a Democrat can be married and make it work just fine -- my dad was a Democrat, my mom a Republican; my brother is a Republican, and his wife a Democrat. But that's when things are normal politics -- disagreements on policies and so forth. For many of us, Trump is something else entirely. I have dated liberals, conservatives, and libertarians, but I must say I don't think I could date a Trump enthusiast. My sister-in-law said that she simply declines to discuss politics with my Trump-supporting brother. She insists he take his far-right radio and his Tucker Carlson to his basement den, not the living room. If my dad were alive, he and my mom would probably be okay, because my mom, though she initially made some noise during the election about possibly supporting Trump, she eventually decided he was horrible and she certainly does not support him now. During other election years, they simply canceled out each other's votes and life rolled on.
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Post by Optimus on Aug 24, 2018 13:35:48 GMT -5
I imagine those marriages work much in the same way that James Carville and Mary Matalin make their marriage work. Like Cass said, they just don't discuss politics at home. But...what else is there to talk about?!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2018 14:01:20 GMT -5
I imagine those marriages work much in the same way that James Carville and Mary Matalin make their marriage work. Like Cass said, they just don't discuss politics at home. But...what else is there to talk about?! Normally, plenty! But about now...yeah, I'm finding it hard to talk about much else. To note, my sister-in-law is not the newshound I am. When I talk to her, I often find that she's unaware of news I thought pretty much everyone knew. She's very smart (a doctor) -- she's just not all that wrapped up in current events. (Though it may be self-defense, what with living with my brother and all...) My brother isn't all wrapped up in the news so much as he is in Fox etc. He is, alas, part of the cohort that shuts out everything else as Fake News. And he bluuuuuurrrrves talking about it. I may as well add here that I have not physically seen my family in two years. I've only been back once since my Dad died and it was pretty awful (my dad was the family glue). I'm making a trip back in September -- please send me good thoughts. I miss my nieces and nephew very much and I'm fond of my sister-in-law, but, well, it's going to be a very difficult trip. I've done my best to set up a bunch of fun plans with the kids so that time spent among the adults in heavily buffered. I am going to hope that we can avoid politics (alas, I lack my sister-in-law's heroism in not rising to the bait...) and a pile of other subjects.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2018 20:45:31 GMT -5
Well.
Read the article in the tweet.
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Post by Optimus on Aug 24, 2018 21:44:08 GMT -5
I saw the headline, "Pecker rolling on Trump" today.
Sigh...the visuals.
Just wanted to throw that out there.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2018 21:50:48 GMT -5
As always, the NY Daily News came through:
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