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Post by maxinquaye on Sept 8, 2018 7:26:16 GMT -5
I've read Max's posts here, and I don't get the sense that his complaints are entirely aligned with your complaints. Just to clarify exactly what my stance is - I think the op-ed is bullshit, and I think the reasoning in the op-ed is bullshit. There exists constitutional mechanisms that the author could use to fix the problems that the op-ed talks about. There are, indeed, several of them. Use those, rather than throw away the institutional checks and balances that exist. It's not so much that the things described in the op-ed are unconstitutional. Unconstitutionality is often a matter of argument. Claiming unconstitutionality is a thing that's settled within the institutions that provides checks and balances. No, what all this is, is anti-constitutional. It throws away the constitution and its institutions for expediency. The stated aim of not using the constitutional mechanisms that exist is that to do so would be to invite the other party to the fray, and the op-ed is explicit that having the other party involved is worse than doing what logic says should be done given the reasoning of the op-ed.
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Post by Christine on Sept 8, 2018 9:41:50 GMT -5
I've read Max's posts here, and I don't get the sense that his complaints are entirely aligned with your complaints. Just to clarify exactly what my stance is - I think the op-ed is bullshit, and I think the reasoning in the op-ed is bullshit. Hence, "entirely." I agree there are mechanisms. I disagree that they would work. Unless you are referring to mechanisms I'm not aware of. The chances that an invocation of the 25th amendment would result in Trump's removal are effectively zero, imo. I'd be happy to be wrong. www.nytimes.com/2018/09/06/us/politics/trump-25th-amendment-anonymous.html (apologies if this is all stuff everyone already knows) Now, if your response to this is, "it doesn't matter, that's the process and they should do this or resign," fair enough. You're rob's twin. I get the principle. But in practice, Trump is so fucking terrifying in such an unprecedented way that I'm not rending my garments over people who aren't following Trump's orders to, e.g., assassinate Assad. You may be quite right that one of the motives is political. To claim it's the sole factor is, I think, unlikely.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2018 19:08:40 GMT -5
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Post by poetinahat on Sept 9, 2018 20:03:50 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm not sure how this was supposed to help. What it has done, I imagine, is put EVERYONE on his staff into peril.
Where the hell have all the grown-ups gone?
(Context: When I posted, I'd read the first page and somehow missed that we were already on Page 4. So when I said "this", I was referring to the anonymous editorial. I'm catching up with the rest of the thread now.)
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Post by gaild on Sept 10, 2018 4:39:59 GMT -5
The thing is, with this president, there are so many preposterous wrong things going on, it's impossible to keep track of them all. There's no question that Trump is Chaos Manager. Where there isn't chaos, he will create it in order to manage it and (in his opinion) emerge triumphant. i.e. "Drain the swamp." The problem is, he doesn't appear to know how to effectively manage that chaos. Running this administration is a world more complicated than running a property development company. He's used to giving orders and having a myriad of minions scurry to do his bidding. Running a country the size (and complexity) of the U.S. is way more than he can handle. That's why there are protocols for practically everything. But Trump doesn't like protocols, doesn't want to color inside the lines. Net result - more chaos.
But take heart. Baring a nuclear strike and assassinating people, there is (imho) very little that Trump can do that cannot be undone. He may have angered, disgusted and dismayed many countries, but a new administration (or even the current one with a more conciliatory attitude) can put things right again. I'm not sure that would include the U.S.'s national debt, though.
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Post by maxinquaye on Sept 11, 2018 1:51:14 GMT -5
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Post by prozyan on Sept 11, 2018 16:33:49 GMT -5
President Trump on the storm heading toward the East Coast: "...it is tremendously big and tremendously wet...."
I wonder if when they asked him about the storm he confused it with Stormy Daniels....
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Post by gaild on Sept 11, 2018 17:53:42 GMT -5
President Trump on the storm heading toward the East Coast: "...it is tremendously big and tremendously wet...." I wonder if when they asked him about the storm he confused it with Stormy Daniels.... :roll: :roll:
Not to mention that he has a tremendously bad thesaurus that is not only bad, it's tremendously not good.
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