Moved derail: generalizations about Trump voters and so forth Oct 7, 2018 20:36:28 GMT -5
Post by Amadan on Oct 7, 2018 20:36:28 GMT -5
See, in my world of close-knit Italian extended family, family with different political views do one of two things -- they have respectful but candid discussions about the issues, preferably at a dining table with delicious food and young ones listening and learning like I did as a kid; or if they can't be civil, they avoid politics (like I and my husband have agreed to do with each other which is why I spend time here since I cannot do it at home). Shunning family for politics? I seriously cannot wrap my head around this. Our country, because of its government structure and our Constitution, can withstand Presidents who act like jerks, and it can weather the storm of policy changes which go one way for a time, then after elections, correct to go a different way for a time. And we survive, learn a few hard lessons, try to do better. It's just not worth missing out on the love and good times and support and strength and comfort a close-knit caring family can provide, in a lifetime that is always much too short and sadly short-sighted. Not worth it at all.
While I can understand people for whom some issues are dealbreakers, I am mostly in your camp, in that even severe political disagreements will not cause me to shun anyone, or cut off a friend or family member.
That said, you posted that tweet by Jerry Saltz as an example of how narrow-minded and exclusionary liberals are being? Like we're supposed to be horrified that anyone would suggest cutting off Trump-supporting family members? Okay, assuming he meant that at face value (it's not clear, he seems to be semi-satirically riffing off of Bob Dylan), I disagree with him.
But, where were you when conservatives were losing their shit after Obama won? That link details a few of the more notorious public meltdowns after he won reelection, but I definitely remember quite a few conservatives spewing stuff in 2008 about how if your spouse voted for Obama, you should divorce him/her, cut off all Democrats in your social group, etc. So, were you horrified then? Unable to grasp how anyone could be that angry?
Yeah, right now I am seeing a lot more people on the left convinced that Trump is a threat unlike any we've ever seen before, and reacting accordingly. I saw some reactions on the right to Obama being elected (and reelected) but not in such numbers. Obviously, I think the right-wingers were talking crazy with their delusions that Obama was a Marxist secret Muslim who hated America, while the leftists who think Trump is Literally Hitler are... exaggerating, but not crazy (and maybe not exaggerating that much). And you probably see it the other way around. But I remember the right-wingers acting crazy. Do you?
Your husband no doubt sees Trump as much worse than just "a President who acts like a jerk," and while I will not presume to give you marital advice, I would point out that here on this board, what usually gets you the most heated responses are not when you say you still support Trump (I mean, we all know that, and yet we still like you), but when we're talking about something really egregious he's done and you dive into "oh poo poo I wish he'd be less crude but gee aren't you making too much of this?" Then you post something about North Korea and unemployment being down smiley-face, and maybe a whataboutClinton. And the impression it gives is not just that you disagree with criticisms of Trump (duh) but that they simply do not compute for you. Everyone who dislikes Trump is just being a big silly.
If that is the impression you give even to people close to you who are opposed to Trump...maybe you should consider how disturbing that would be to someone who really, truly believes that Trump is a threat to the Republic. You don't have to agree, but it is perhaps a worldview you should spend more time trying to understand. (See, there I go again suggesting it's productive to understand people you think are dead wrong.)