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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 9:46:03 GMT -5
Word on the street is that her announcement caught everyone in the White House off guard.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 10:09:09 GMT -5
To note -- this is a mighty big resignation to be announced four weeks before midterms. Especially when it isn't announced in conjunction with any particular reason for the resignation. She says she isn't planning on running in 2020. But I wonder. David Frum's thinking... Historian Kevin Kruse (whom I just love, by the way): <iframe width="11.199999999999989" height="4.199999999999989" style="position: absolute; width: 11.199999999999989px; height: 4.199999999999989px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 5px; top: 149px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_93460356" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="11.199999999999989" height="4.199999999999989" style="position: absolute; width: 11.2px; height: 4.2px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 502px; top: 149px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_74887269" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="11.199999999999989" height="4.199999999999989" style="position: absolute; width: 11.2px; height: 4.2px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 5px; top: 304px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_81509506" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="11.199999999999989" height="4.199999999999989" style="position: absolute; width: 11.2px; height: 4.2px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 502px; top: 304px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_14565232" scrolling="no"></iframe>
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 10:24:52 GMT -5
She's talking the whole "this administration is awesome and hey, it's just time to leave for no particular reason..."
But.
Why suddenly announce it four weeks before midterms? Why not wait a month? She's not leaving until the end of the year. She could talk it over privately with Trump so that he could make plans for a successor, announce it after midterms, and there would still be two months for a transition. It's a pretty big deal to have a departure this big--and of someone who was regarded by many as one of the better people in the Trump administration.
Why announce it now?
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Post by mikey on Oct 9, 2018 10:26:09 GMT -5
Good riddance! Nikki is an icky person
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 10:49:56 GMT -5
Good riddance! Nikki is an icky person I doubt very much celawson , your fellow Trump supporter on this board, agrees. I'm guessing she'll be dismayed at this resignation. For my own part, I think Nikki is surely one of the better, saner, more competent people working in the administration, though I've been very disappointed to see her join in the Trump butt-kissing (which I think is tactical on her part rather than sincere, though that doesn't help in my book). Whoever replaces her is likely to be worse.
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Post by robeiae on Oct 9, 2018 11:26:08 GMT -5
She's talking the whole "this administration is awesome and hey, it's just time to leave for no particular reason..." But. Why suddenly announce it four weeks before midterms? Why not wait a month? She's not leaving until the end of the year. She could talk it over privately with Trump so that he could make plans for a successor, announce it after midterms, and there would still be two months for a transition. It's a pretty big deal to have a departure this big--and of someone who was regarded by many as one of the better people in the Trump administration. Why announce it now? It's a fair question, certainty. But it's easy enough to imagine all sorts of non-political reasons here as it is to imagine political ones. Right now, we lack details. Speculation is simply speculation. I like her, myself. I think she's done pretty well in a job that was wholly new to her. It's a shame other people in jobs new to them couldn't follow suit. ETA: As to the "butt kissing," she's still on the job til the end of the year, right?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 11:37:02 GMT -5
Of course the reason is pure speculation at this point, and it could be any number of things.
But I do think there's a reason, a big one, whether it be personal, political, or professional, that she did not wait a month to announce it.
Certainly I agree that she's one of the better people in the administration, and I'm concerned about what we'll get in her place. I don't see any way it won't be worse.
I'd love to see her stand up to Trump between now and January, but since she's doubling down on the butt kissing as she announces her departure, I'm not currently optimistic.
As I like to say, time will tell. It's 2018 and anything can happen.
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Post by mikey on Oct 9, 2018 11:56:04 GMT -5
As I like to say, time will tell. It's 2018 and anything can happen. Wow that has almost the same meaning as one of Trumps sayings "We'll see" You two must read some of the same books or something.
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Post by robeiae on Oct 9, 2018 11:59:18 GMT -5
I think expectations for people to "stand up to Trump" are grounded in views about Trump that are not necessarily fully shared by the people who are supposed to do the standing up. People leaving admins on good terms generally speak well of those admins, as a matter of course. That's kinda politics 101. If Haley was being forced out or fired, she'd likely be singing a different tune. And again, she has to work with the admin til the end of the year, still.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 12:07:03 GMT -5
I think expectations for people to "stand up to Trump" are grounded in views about Trump that are not necessarily fully shared by the people who are supposed to do the standing up. People leaving admins on good terms generally speak well of those admins, as a matter of course. That's kinda politics 101. If Haley was being forced out or fired, she'd likely be singing a different tune. And again, she has to work with the admin til the end of the year, still. I'm actually pretty confident she's NOT being forced out or fired. And yes, I wouldn't expect her to trash the administration. (Though she's downright gushing -- gaah, the "Jared is a genius!" stuff...) But I can see that she disagrees with the administration on a number of issues (like when Trump came out contradicting something she'd just said in the UN, and someone said she was confused -- she was NOT confused, and that clearly pissed her off). I'd like to see her speak up more forcefully at those times and on those issues. But perhaps she'll have to be out of the administration to do so.
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Post by celawson on Oct 9, 2018 13:30:52 GMT -5
One talk down (to the stroke team nurses). Another one to go at 1pm to all the therapists.
Damn, this Nikki Haley thing is disappointing and I'm very curious to learn more. And I only have a few minutes to be on this board. Yes, Cass is correct I respect the job she was doing very much. I've had issues with the hypocrisy of the U.N. and its anti-Israel bias for a long time, so it was nice to see someone from our administration standing up to them more forcefully than anything we've done in the past. I agree with Cass the timing is very curious. Why before midterms?
I don't even have time to search and read articles to see what the speculation is! Back tonight.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 16:46:14 GMT -5
I actually don't love everything about Nikki Haley's positions and actions, but she's not an ignorant yahoo, she isn't kissing Putin's ass, she seems to have done the necessary preparation to get up to speed on what she needed to know to do her job competently instead of just saying pfft and flying by the seat of her pants, I think she thinks before she talks, she doesn't say racist crazy stuff, and she handles herself with some dignity. In other words, she was a representative of the United States who wasn't a constant mortification, who doesn't scare the living hell out of me, and whom one can envision being in past administrations where things were not a complete shambles. I'm also guessing that she likely also acted as something of a sane voice in Trump's ear behind the scenes, and he can't spare any of those. As such, she's one of the relatively few people Trump put in around him who didn't make me constantly crazy, even if I did have some issues with her! And as such, I'm sorry to see her go. I just can't imagine that Trump's next selection won't be far worse. I admit, I'm concerned. I really don't want some blustering ignoramus in that position (well, or in any position, but particularly dealing with foreign policy stuff just now).
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Post by michaelw on Oct 9, 2018 23:35:04 GMT -5
I really don't want some blustering ignoramus in that position So... John Bolton?
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Post by celawson on Oct 10, 2018 10:45:13 GMT -5
More speculation. CNN has an article on reasons why she might be leaving. Turns out most in her position leave after around 2 years so this is not unusual. www.cnn.com/2018/10/09/politics/nikki-haley-resignation-donald-trump/I don't believe the first theory (edged out by Bolton and Pompeo), because she's doing a good job and is a woman of color in a prominent position in the Trump administration which doesn't hurt. And the third one doesn't explain the urgency to leave soon. The theory I think could most likely be true is personal financial issues. That seems to be where an urgency can set in. That doesn't seem to be a great financial situation. She has one child in college and another going in a few years. That's where I am now, and with the older one looking at law or graduate school, I'm increasing my work hours too.
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Post by Vince524 on Oct 10, 2018 19:27:35 GMT -5
What I've seen of Haley, I've liked. I'm not going to read anything into her leaving until there's a reason to. I'd love it if she did a 2020 run, as it might mean no Trump in 2020.
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