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Post by robeiae on Dec 6, 2016 10:13:34 GMT -5
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Post by celawson on Dec 6, 2016 10:40:23 GMT -5
I haven't read the article yet, but I remember reading some years ago about a similar issue with the Pentagon - something about $500 hammers stuck with me. Anyway, in all the talk about decreasing entitlements here and slashing there, why isn't more effort put into cutting the waste and bloated bureaucracy? I worked at the VA for years; I know waste and bureaucracy. It's ridiculous.
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Post by robeiae on Dec 6, 2016 11:39:21 GMT -5
Tangent: Allow me to explain why the Pentagon spent $500 for a hammer and $1000 for a toilet seat (spoiler: there are good reasons and bad reasons). I know the "why" here because I interned in the cost engineering department of a major contractor many years ago (think "nuclear aircraft carriers" and "Virginia" and you can figure out the company easily).
Cost engineering is responsible for doing estimates on how much things will cost to produce, so a company knows how much to bid on a job (and so the company and the government can track actual costs and adjust payments accordingly, especially for no-bid jobs). Now aside from the really big jobs--like nuclear aircraft carriers and subs--there are lots of small ones that various Pentagon/Defense department agencies request. And because they already have relationships with manufacturers like the one I worked at--with full machine shop and production capabilities--that's where they send these jobs. So let me give a real example that I actually did:
A request came in for parts: 10 small springs (like what you might find in a ballpoint pen). I was tasked with estimating the cost in order to bill the government. I had no idea what the springs were for; they could have been critical pieces for a weapons system repair, for some mechanism on a sub, plane, or ship, or replacement pen springs for some high-ranking officers. Seriously. But the order came in for 10 springs with exact specifications, material, size, etc. So, my estimate included the cost of materials, the cost to do the manufacturing templates (which were one-off things), the hours that different departments would bill for this work (including my own), the cost of packaging, the cost of delivery, etc. In the end, my estimate was for a cost of around $800, or $80 per spring. And that's exactly what the government paid. But check this out: many of the costs in my estimate were fixed, regardless of quantity. And the variable costs--like materials--were very small. Had the government ordered 100 springs, the cost would have been around $1200, or $12 per spring. This is the "why" in a nutshell. And it gets worse. First, because the government knows that contractors can't and won't store the templates and casts to remake these items (not cost effective), so if the government ordered 10 more springs a year later, the price would be the same, more or less. Second, because the government sucks at tracking things that aren't immediately used. Chances are, they only needed one or two of those springs to begin with, but deemed it a good idea to order 10, "just in case," and the springs not used got put in a box somewhere and quickly forgotten.
I note all this because the common theme on the "$500 hammer" was that contractors were gouging the government. And generally, that wasn't the case at all. Because the government did the same thing as above with things like hammers. No lie. They wanted a minimal number that had exact specifications. And you know what else? They spent a ton of man hours researching what those "exact specifications" should be, as well. If Black and Decker made a hammer that was "almost" right, that wouldn't do. They want exactly what they want and they have to pay for that privilege.
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Post by celawson on Dec 6, 2016 12:16:59 GMT -5
That's a fascinating explanation, Rob. Thank you. But it still goes back to the government having wasteful methods of doing things. In your particular case with the springs, I can certainly see why it's expensive to do something unique and to exact specifications. However other products are not so specialized, and the government should be able to settle for (at least more often than they currently do) off the shelf products. Like hammers. Trump should assign a waste czar. Wow, I could never go into politics. These sorts of massive problems explode my brain, sort of like when I think about outer space and stars and planets.
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Post by Amadan on Dec 6, 2016 14:07:44 GMT -5
I have a rant about contractors I may write some other day. But here's the tl:dr version - the DoD in particular employs huge numbers of contractors, who do basically the same job as the federal employees sitting next to them, but for 2-3 times the pay (and for which the company paying them actually gets 5-10 times that from the government). Why? Because, theoretically, the government wants to minimize the number of federal workers (who receive full benefits, pensions, etc.). Contractors are "cheaper" in the long run because the government can simply not renew their contracts when they aren't needed any more.
But in practice, contractors are full-time employees, working for private industry, but doing government work, at a vastly greater cost. You think Booz Allen Hamilton et al doesn't give their employees benefits, 401Ks, etc.? Which are all, ultimately, paid for from the same government purse? But on paper, the government is paying less money for federal pensions, so it looks like a cost savings.
The situation is such that government employees can walk out the door on Friday and come back Monday doing essentially the same job but now as a private contractor at twice the pay. And many do. A lot. Sure, in theory they are now easier to get rid of, but in practice, that doesn't happen, barring an economic meltdown.
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