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Post by Optimus on Jan 4, 2019 7:48:46 GMT -5
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Post by robeiae on Jan 4, 2019 12:22:38 GMT -5
18 days, almost $19 million. That's less than $1 million in the last 6 days, after $18 million in 12 days. I'd say the campaign has hit a wall...
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Post by michaelw on Jan 8, 2019 9:40:11 GMT -5
I have a better idea. Since lots of illegal immigrants arrive by plane, let's build a roof.
"We're gonna build a roof.. And Jimmy Carter... Jimmy Carter is gonna build it."
Vote Wolfe in 2020.
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Post by Don on Jan 8, 2019 9:51:24 GMT -5
I have a better idea. Since lots of illegal immigrants arrive by plane, let's build a roof. "We're gonna build a roof.. And Jimmy Carter... Jimmy Carter is gonna build it." Vote Wolfe in 2020. BTW, you're not related to Claire, are you? |
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Post by michaelw on Jan 8, 2019 10:01:29 GMT -5
I have a better idea. Since lots of illegal immigrants arrive by plane, let's build a roof. "We're gonna build a roof.. And Jimmy Carter... Jimmy Carter is gonna build it." Vote Wolfe in 2020. BTW, you're not related to Claire, are you? Nope. No relation to the author of Fire and Fury either, although some of my friends did rib me about it.  |
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Post by prozyan on Jan 9, 2019 10:43:03 GMT -5
The Syria thread kinda got off course with talk of Trump and his wall, so I thought this would be a better place for posting about The Wall(tm). Last night's political theater was....numbing to say the least. Trump with the usual rhetoric that the unwashed masses are close to destroying the US as we know it, Pelosi and Schumer offering a measured response that was pretty much "we want national security and border security but you (Trump) is too dumb to decide how we do it". All in all, a waste of everyone's time. Except for the great meme's coming out of Schumer and Pelosi's....awkward...podium presence.  If we only get another image or two as good as this one, the whole circus would have been worth it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 11:12:29 GMT -5
My favorite, and I can't find it now, was Nancy and Chuck as stern but loving parents explaining (paraphase) "Of course the most important thing is that you're all right, but we're very upset you smashed the car up."
I didn't watch live (I didn't want to reward the networks for allowing Trump to stage this dog and pony show). What was up with Trump's face looking airbrushed and like it was pasted on his body? I thought it was just a bug in the clips I watched, but based on Twitter discussions, it apparently wasn't. Was it a technical glitch? There are some theories from photographers out there that he had them brush out wrinkles, but surely even Trump cannot be that vain. Can he?
And my god, Trump sounded robotic. It was his usual rhetoric, but delivered like he was a hostage reading a script. Even he knows he's not going to get his damn wall. And the latest poll shows that most Americans are (correctly) blaming Trump for the shutdown. One thing I found tentatively reassuring -- I get the impression that he (at least currently) believes that declaring a state of emergency would backfire politically. In fact, I think that's why he sounded like the air had been let out of him. That said, I'm not resting easy yet. I'm still none too sure there are enough Republican Senators who would step up and say "uh, no, Mr. President -- not on our watch" and if Trump thinks there they won't stop him...
A few Republicans are now murmuring about coming to a deal to restart the government -- as they should, since a couple of weeks back, before Trump's wall stupid intervened, there had been unanimous agreement on a bill. But since doing that would actually make sense, I'm guessing this drags on for a bit. I have a few friends with government jobs, and to say they are anxious and frustrated is understating it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 7:47:59 GMT -5
Like I said, even taking aside the preposterous cost and the fact we don't need the damn thing, building the rediculous wall would face other issues... I read somewhere that a third of the land required for a border wall is privately owned. Didn't the GOP used to claim to be all about respecting private property, until it became the party of Trump? Then there are the environmental issues: www.scientificamerican.com/article/trumps-wall-could-cause-serious-environmental-damage/ |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 8:35:01 GMT -5
But, hey, it'll be worth the yyuuuuge cost and the eminent domain issues and environmental issues because once the wall is built, it will solve illegal immigration one and for all!
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Post by markesq on Jan 10, 2019 8:49:48 GMT -5
Wait, "environmental issues"? Seriously, Cass? DOn't make me sputter in my coffee, there's nothing Repubs care less about than the environment. Well, apart from female autonomy. And poor people. People of color, too... oh, and... oh, never mind, I don't have time....
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Post by prozyan on Jan 10, 2019 9:21:49 GMT -5
Personally, living near the border, I do feel there needs to be a physical barrier. Something along the lines of the steel poles in Cass's first image. Perfect, of course not, but manageable, fairly cheap and easy to maintain.
What I think is needed more is an increase in funding, personnel, and equipment for border security. $5b would approximately pay for a $75k salary for 22k employees for 3 years. That manpower increase would do far more to serve border security than a purely physical barrier.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 9:41:41 GMT -5
I'm absolutely in favor of more funding for personnel -- for example, more personnel to expedite the hearing of asylum claims would help a lot.
But, taking environmental and other physical issues aside, I cannot favor taking a shitload of private property against the will of the owners and the state/local authorities (which, by the way, will be another yyyuuuuuge expense, because it will be contested and the Trump admin will have to make their case) in order to build an exorbitantly expensive 3000 mile barrier that in any case will be sawn through, climbed over, and tunneled under. To prevent that, we'd also need a huge (expensive) amount of manpower to man it. (And hell, if we had enough manpower to guard the fence, would we need the fence?)
(I'm not big on eminent domain. If you've got an issue where it's a relatively small amount of private property versus an unquestionable and truly important benefit for a large number of people, okay, I can see it. But that's not this. As has been demonstrated again and again, these people aren't representing a big physical danger to Americans. At best there is an economic issue -- and even that is contested, since I've seen plenty of stuff indicating the opposite is true. But even if we grant there is an economic issue, I'm betting the costs of building this fence, maintaining it, and staffing it are likely to be as great (maybe greater) -- especially when we consider that people are still gonna get through.)
And as a matter of fact, contrary to what Trump and his cronies like to claim, Dems in Congress ARE in favor of giving money to border security. It's just the fucking wall they aren't willing to fund.
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Post by michaelw on Jan 10, 2019 13:07:03 GMT -5
Building a time-consuming wall--without much in the way of other complementary measures--is clearly the most logical response to a national emergency that must be addressed as soon as possible.
And maybe we were too quick to condemn Trump for not sending help to Puerto Rico. Responders have already begun swimming there and should arrive any month now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 17:30:48 GMT -5
Building a time-consuming wall--without much in the way of other complementary measures--is clearly the most logical response to a national emergency that must be addressed as soon as possible. And maybe we were too quick to condemn Trump for not sending help to Puerto Rico. Responders have already begun swimming there and should arrive any month now. Alas. Trump may be calling back the responders from their swim... |
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Post by michaelw on Jan 10, 2019 20:13:32 GMT -5
LOL. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADzobhJVtnw"If there’s a concrete wall in front of you, go through it, go over it, go around it, but get to the other side of that wall." — Donald Trump, 2004 |
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