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Post by robeiae on Jan 14, 2019 9:52:29 GMT -5
... do dermatologists really have a clue? From the piece: I'm no scientist, to be sure, but given how many supplements have turned out to be practically worthless, when it comes to demonstrable health benefits, much of the above rings true to me. In particular, the idea that vitamin D is just a marker seems--in hindsight--almost obviously true. The problem is that we--as a society--accept out of hand that "health" can be controlled and enhanced through simple chemistry. Yes, the supplement industry is next-level bullshit in this regard, but the issue runs much deeper.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 10:47:43 GMT -5
I tend to think supplements are way overrated and that it is far better to get your nutrients naturally. But skin cancer and premature skin aging is certainly a thing, and certainly sun exposure is a huge factor. I strike a compromise. As a fair type with a tendency to freckle, with a few fair, freckled relatives who got skin cancer, I've always taken my dermatologists word on the sun screen. And then there's the looks aspect. Just saying, I was never a sun worshiper and I look waaaay younger than my high school and college friends who were. Or for that matter, than my younger brother, who never bothered with the sun screen. I have no basically no lines or wrinkles--few white women my age can say the same. Similarly, if you compare my sunscreen-using, hat-wearing mother's skin with her sister's sun-worshipping skin -- yeah, my mom's is leaps and bounds better than my aunt. Yes, I'm vain, especially of my skin. But, yanno, skin cancer is a thing, too... That all said -- I do think getting some natural vitamin D from the sun is important. My compromise is to always, always wear sunscreen on my face, neck and hands. But during the sunny months, I make sure I get a bit of sun exposure on my legs, arms, etc. before putting on any sunscreen -- not enough to tan me, but enough to give me some vitamin D. My vitamin D levels are fine and I'm quite healthy. One doesn't need to bask and burn to get enough vitamin D, especially if you're fair-skinned. ETA: True story (one that was rather mortifying for my friend and even for me, in a different way). I was with a close friend, one who in a sun worshipper. We ran into an old acquaintance of hers whom I'd never met. Before my friend could introduce us, the acquaintance said "oh, is this your daughter?" I am five years older than my friend. I couldn't be flattered because it was so damn awkward -- I could only "I'm a running club friend; so nice to meet you," and move on. So, yeah, I shall never be a supermodel, but I do look a lot younger than I am, which of course is partly genetics and good health/habits, but I think it's unquestionably also the sunscreen. I'm sticking to it.
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Post by Optimus on Jan 14, 2019 16:18:36 GMT -5
It's worked wonders for George Hamilton.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 16:38:11 GMT -5
It's worked wonders for George Hamilton. LOL! I know some people with that leather look! One of my high school classmates springs to mind. When she was in high school, she always had the tan everyone envied. When she graduated, she apparently used a tanning bed year round. I saw her a couple of years ago and OMG. No. Bad. Not a good look. Remember tanning mom? She wasn't quite as bad, but it wasn't far off... A little bit of a tan can look nice on some people. I actually don't think I'm one of them. The Morticia Addams look rather suits me. (I've gone as Morticia for Halloween more than once -- I have long black hair and very pale skin -- all I need to do is put on long black dress and I'm done.)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 22:01:41 GMT -5
About the lower disease rate correlation with sun exposure cited in the article vs the people with little sun exposure --
How much of that can be attributed to exercise?
E.g., I run and cycle. I also use sunscreen every day when I'm outside (with, like I said, and effort to get a wee bit of unprotected exposure purely for vitamin D production--it actually doesn't take much). I use sunscreen on my face 365 days a year during daylight hours, rain or shine. (UVA rays age you, and they are present on rainy days.) I am going to guess that my diabetes risk is NOT higher than someone who sits out in the sun tanning all day eating fast food. Just saying. Now, lots of runners and cyclers I know aren't that careful with sunscreen. I will bet that they have overall lower rates of disease than someone who sits in a chair all day eating fast food indoors. But do they have lower rates than someone like me, with exercise habits just like theirs except that I use sunscreen?
I'd love to know how much effort they made to tease that out.
Another thing that occurred to me. Sure, our cavemen ancestors went around nude or close to it and got lots of sun. But for centuries, a lot of people -- often especially rich people -- went around fully covered from neck to toe, and wore hats. Tanned faces were regarded not as a sign of beauty, but as a sign you had to work outside, and were thus lower class. During those years, I'd be willing to bet those noble people who got very little sun exposure overall had longer life spans and less disease than workers who got more sun, because better diets, etc.
Gotta be honest, this doesn't make me vow to leave off my sunscreen and to hell with the wrinkles. I absolutely buy that some sun exposure in moderation is beneficial. But I also would doubt that sunscreen makes me twice as likely to die an early death as tanning mom.
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Post by prozyan on Jan 14, 2019 23:32:57 GMT -5
Sunscreen blocks only a minuscule amount of the vitamin D absorbed from sunlight exposure anyway.
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