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Post by robeiae on Jan 21, 2019 14:41:43 GMT -5
I think GoFundMe is an easy out, so to speak, for people who are looking for money, for whatever reason (which is a huge part of why I have a problem with it). So I don't accept the idea that the people who start campaigns there are doing so as some sort of "last resort." I think a lot of them are doing it as a "first resort," in fact. And I think most every story on GuFundMe is embellished to some degree--some to a much, much greater degree than others, I am sure--because that's the best way to get maximum donations.
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Post by nighttimer on Jan 21, 2019 17:34:48 GMT -5
Wow! Elitist much Cassandra? I gave you an example of how some of my family members do things, and you come back with Fuck you!And my whole point is that to spend less than you bring in, not go look for more money to spend. Although, both sides of the coin work, I was addressing only one side. I don't really think any discussion board of any sort should tolerate one member dropping a "fuck you" to another. That is not "thoughtful political discussion." It is the antithesis of thoughtfulness. It is rude and it is crude and is disrespectful.
Even a lightly-moderated board should have some rules that are applied and if expecting even a modicum of civility and respect is too high a standard to be enforced when it is breached, then that is a discussion board that needs to go right into the dumpster of dead websites.
As someone who has suspended and banned more than anyone else for things I deserved to be suspended and banned for and for things I did not deserve to be suspended and banned for, I'm going to say this and make it clear. I have never said to any member of this board "fuck you!," but if this is going to be the new standard of the Wild West Colline Gate, I'm here for some of that too. If anything goes, then everything is on the table and we can just post our worse curses and insults at each other, and it's all good.
Is that what this board is going to be? Raw and down n' dirty? I hope not because I want no part of that sort of thing.
Mikey deserves a time out.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 18:48:14 GMT -5
To be fair, I did reply "Fuck you back with bells on." True, my bit of rudeness was a retort to his bit of rudeness and I wouldn't have said it as an initial thing. (I'm no angel temperament-wise, but I'm more inclined to say "you don't know what the fuck you're talking about" than "fuck you.") Still, I said it. I'll also note that I added the "with bells on" as a bit of mockery. Because to be truthful, his "fuck you" rolled right off me. The "fuck you" was just ridiculous and juvenile. I actually found his arguments way more offensive. That said, I do agree with NT that "fuck you" isn't an argument and tends to detract from intelligent discourse. Were I still a mod, I'd be strongly inclined to discourage it for that reason. But I'm not still a mod.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 18:54:00 GMT -5
On the thread topic, I'd like to add this:
Just learned that another of my friends on facebook has a husband who is one of the unpaid workers who still has to go into work. She has cancer and has to go on leave for treatment -- it's serious, and there are no other options for her. They have two small kids. Neither of them has ever made scads of money, so yeah, they are deadbeats without much in savings -- all those whores and beer, you know. Also, they've had a lot of medical bills because of her cancer.
They've sold their beloved bikes and some other belongings to pay the bills, but are increasingly concerned about the future if this drags out.
I dunno, I'm way more worried about them and people like them than I am about some gofundme accounts.
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Post by prozyan on Jan 21, 2019 19:03:25 GMT -5
I don't see the shutdown ending anytime soon.
I looked back over my old posts and saw I never talked about the GoFundme thing. My take...who cares?
If someone wants to start a Gofundme account and people want to give money to it why is that my business?
I also think forcing workers to work without pay is insanity. I side with Don on this one....the government is the only institution that can get away with this. I recently read a story about a woman awarded $21 million because her employer tried to force her to work Sundays then fired her when she refused. I guess worker rights only exist outside of government positions.
Its trite and it is a meme, but I really don't see why congress critters aren't the first to be forced to work without pay during a shutdown. Or access to their benefits. Etc, etc.
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Post by mikey on Jan 21, 2019 21:24:12 GMT -5
Mikey deserves a time out.
By all means nighttimer, give me a time out. I don't want to be the one who damages your sensibilities.
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Post by nighttimer on Jan 21, 2019 21:52:48 GMT -5
I think GoFundMe is an easy out, so to speak, for people who are looking for money, for whatever reason (which is a huge part of why I have a problem with it). So I don't accept the idea that the people who start campaigns there are doing so as some sort of "last resort." I think a lot of them are doing it as a "first resort," in fact. And I think most every story on GuFundMe is embellished to some degree--some to a much, much greater degree than others, I am sure--because that's the best way to get maximum donations. I think you're cynical and you know nothing about what are the circumstances that would lead one to create a GoFundMe page and could care less.
If you aren't living paycheck-to-paycheck, or you never have, then what gives you or any of these conservative reactionaries the gall to dump on others for turning to the charity of good people instead of food stamps and welfare from the government? You're denigrating the lives of others you don't know a thing about. That's just arrogant.
You may be one of those rugged individualists who snort disdainfully at the very idea of begging strangers for their money, but what you do not get or do not care is regular Working Joes and Janes cannot afford to go without a paycheck. Not for a week and certainly not for 31 days and counting.
Mortgages have to be paid. So do utility bills and medical bills and groceries must be purchased and the car needs to go in the shop and the cable and internet will be turned off if isn't paid soon, and Jr. needs braces and our daughter wants to start her college tours. People who have to try and stay ahead of the bills going from late to missed and they can't put $50 in the bank every two weeks to build up a Rainy Day stash.
In 2017, the median income of the United States was $61,400. Now for all those rugged individualists with a high degree of smugness about how you just got it like that, do you REALLY think that's a lot of money, because I do not. Could you raise, house, feed, clothe, care for a family on that small chunk of cheese? Could you do that and still set aside enough money to take care of you and your family when times get tough?
If you were working for the federal government or knew anyone that does----you know the ones who didn't start a GoFundMe page to buy food or insulin or any of that worthless crap---you would know that they aren't bums or slobs or dumb-asses who didn't deposit any do-ri-me for the sad day when some orange-colored asshole with the World's Worst Combover shut down the fucking government because Ann Coulter called him a pussy.
You would know given a choice between their regular paycheck and relying on strangers to feel bad for them, probably 99.9 percent would say, "I'm goin' back to work." IF the orange-colored asshole with the World's Worst Combover hadn't shut down the fucking government because Ann Coulter called him a pussy.
You'd stop blaming the victim for trying to get by and instead take your sanctimonious simpering on how "I saved some money and now I'm ready for that rainy day" and realize for once not everyone is as blessed as you are and not everyone has it like you. Then you might see the person you should be looking down your noses at is the orange-colored asshole with the World's Worst Combover who shut down the fucking government because Ann Coulter called him a pussy.
You might even have a little empathy. Or did you have to have that surgically removed when you became a conservative?
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Post by nighttimer on Jan 21, 2019 22:03:49 GMT -5
Mikey deserves a time out.
By all means nighttimer, give me a time out. I don't want to be the one who damages your sensibilities. Trust me, Mikey. If I could have I already would have.
It's got nothing to do about damaging my sensibilities. It's got something to do with how much of a clod does it make YOU to find yourself on the wrong end of an argument with someone who does it for a living and not even be sharp enough to realize, "Hey, she's totally handing me my ass."
It's got nothing to do with damaging my sensibilities. It's got something to do with how dumb it is to shout "Fuck you!" at someone because you're not smart enough to come up a response where you don't sound like a complete ignoramus.
It's got nothing to do with damaging my sensibilities and Cassandra has no problem handling her own bizness. What it does have everything to do with is establishing whether or not there is a single standard for civility, decorum and respect (three words of which you have no clue as to what they mean) or whether there is a double standard for conduct unbecoming on this board.
A single one for guys like you and a double one for guys like me.
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Post by mikey on Jan 21, 2019 23:09:40 GMT -5
By all means nighttimer, give me a time out. I don't want to be the one who damages your sensibilities. Trust me, Mikey. If I could have I already would have.
Absolutely you can nighttimer, it's called ignore. It's a choice just like it's a choice not to live pay check to pay check. Some are capable of making that choice, some are not.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 23:36:42 GMT -5
You know, it didn't occur to me until now that one yuuuuge bonus of not being a mod was that I need not monitor posts and therefore could put people on ignore without any dereliction of duty.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 9:50:54 GMT -5
But see, NT, this is about civility. Trump supporters are really big on civility, and they get upset with the rest of us when we don't exhibit it; e.g., when we persist on elitist arguments that many people are caught in a cycle of poverty from which it is difficult to emerge, citing specific examples. Unlike my friend who chose to get cancer and go on disability while her husband is not getting paid by the federal government, they have no choice when we make elitist arguments about such people: they must tell us to fuck off. See also, e.g., Trump's tweets. He's forced into them by our incivility.
We, however, do have a choice. We can ignore them. Therefore, we have no excuse for our uncivil arguments. That explains why they only get upset over our uncivility, and not incivility on their own side. See?
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Post by robeiae on Jan 22, 2019 10:35:49 GMT -5
I also think forcing workers to work without pay is insanity. I side with Don on this one....the government is the only institution that can get away with this. I recently read a story about a woman awarded $21 million because her employer tried to force her to work Sundays then fired her when she refused. I guess worker rights only exist outside of government positions. Its trite and it is a meme, but I really don't see why congress critters aren't the first to be forced to work without pay during a shutdown. Or access to their benefits. Etc, etc. I agree with this, completely. The idea that government workers can be compelled to work without pay is totally wrong, imo. It should be expressly illegal and maybe some of the sphincters in Congress will wise up and make this a law.
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Post by robeiae on Jan 22, 2019 10:37:57 GMT -5
If you aren't living paycheck-to-paycheck, or you never have, then what gives you or any of these conservative reactionaries the gall to dump on others for turning to the charity of good people instead of food stamps and welfare from the government? You're denigrating the lives of others you don't know a thing about. That's just arrogant. Read my posts.
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Post by nighttimer on Jan 22, 2019 15:22:15 GMT -5
Trust me, Mikey. If I could have I already would have.
Absolutely you can nighttimer, it's called ignore. It's a choice just like it's a choice not to live pay check to pay check. Some are capable of making that choice, some are not. IGNORING you is not the same thing as BANNING you, Mikey and I believe you know that. If not, now you do, and since we're still having this discussion it's now apparent it's perfectly fine on The Colline Gate to say "fuck you" to another member and nobody gives a shit. Good for you!
By the way, It's not a choice to live paycheck-to-paycheck. It's a reality and apparently you're not aware of that either.
Which of course will never happen under a Republican administration or Congress. It's been their collective wet dream to make people work for nothing, so this is a late Xmas gift for those hard-hearted bastards.
But see, NT, this is about civility. Trump supporters are really big on civility, and they get upset with the rest of us when we don't exhibit it; e.g., when we persist on elitist arguments that many people are caught in a cycle of poverty from which it is difficult to emerge, citing specific examples. Unlike my friend who chose to get cancer and go on disability while her husband is not getting paid by the federal government, they have no choice when we make elitist arguments about such people: they must tell us to fuck off. See also, e.g., Trump's tweets. He's forced into them by our incivility. We, however, do have a choice. We can ignore them. Therefore, we have no excuse for our uncivil arguments. That explains why they only get upset over our uncivility, and not incivility on their own side. See? Yeah, I do. Fuck all that. Only an idiot would think people choose to ask for help because they don't have any money.
I don't give a fuck about being civil to Trump supporters when they aren't being civil to me. You get what you give and if anyone gives me a "fuck you!" they're not gonna get a "bless you" in response.
Treat me with respect and I'll treat you with respect. But get all bold and bad-ass because you're sitting in front of your laptop and feel safe, I'm gonna come at you the same way you came at me. It's a Malcolm X thang:
“I believe in the brotherhood of man, all men, but I don't believe in brotherhood with anybody who doesn't want brotherhood with me. I believe in treating people right, but I'm not going to waste my time trying to treat somebody right who doesn't know how to return the treatment”
No fucks given if you don't give one first.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 20:59:17 GMT -5
Made me think of this thread...
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