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Post by robeiae on Feb 14, 2019 12:15:31 GMT -5
Well, it's a private investigation, paid for by the Diocese. Maybe it was well done and complete, maybe it wasn't. But it's tough to assume it was completely impartial.
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Post by Vince524 on Feb 14, 2019 12:31:16 GMT -5
Well, it's a private investigation, paid for by the Diocese. Maybe it was well done and complete, maybe it wasn't. But it's tough to assume it was completely impartial. True. It was billed as an independent investigation. (Of course it was.) The school came out pretty hard against the students at the beginning and had to walk that back when the other videos came out, amid pressure. But to be fair, it is a private school. So those kids have parents that pay tuition. Still, it's hard to argue with most of their findings. The kids didn't yell 'build that wall.' Phillips wasn't trying to get by and they surrounded him, he waled into them, for a face off. he didn't try to go around them, he didn't proceed once they left. So a bunch of grown adults said some pretty horrible things to the kids, who booed and chanted their school chant as a way of drowning them out. Another adult walked up to them, apparently seeing the Black Israelites as the victims about the be descended upon, where he proceeded to chant and beat a drum in a kids face. The kid... smiled. Yes they made some tomahawk chops, not cool, but not the main kid getting the majority of the death threats. And then Phillips went on tv and lied about what happened.
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Post by Vince524 on Feb 19, 2019 21:40:43 GMT -5
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Post by nighttimer on Feb 20, 2019 15:20:23 GMT -5
Then maybe what? You really think a 16-year-old kid has suffered $250 million worth of pain and suffering? You really think this isn't a calculated attack on the WaPo, the bête noire of Donald Trump by using a 16-year-old kid rocking a MAGA hat as the stalking horse?
Whatever "innocence" Mr. Sandmann had is gone as he is nothing more than just the face and the front of powerful interests using him to take down an enemy of President Pussygrabber. There are layers to this story and like peeling an onion, there are a lot to get through to reach the real players and motives remaining out of sight.
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Post by Vince524 on Feb 20, 2019 16:16:50 GMT -5
To answer your questions, no I don't think this has much to do with Trump. I think Nick's family, seeing their son getting death threats, worried that it might keep him out of college and that if people remember his name with a google search might never hire him, decided to sue and I think a lawyer who sees a way to make a name for himself is probably taking advantage of that. Cease and desist letters should go out first and WAPOST should be given a chance to amend their earlier stories to show the dependency.
Do I think it's worth $250 million? No, but isn't that a normal tactic? Aim high and hope they throw money at you to make you go away?
My Then Maybe was then maybe they have a case if after the videos showed Phillips walked into the crowd, wasn't blocked and banged a drum in Sandmann's face, the paper continued to run the story as if they hadn't seen it, then maybe they'd have a case. I'm not a lawyer, so I could be wrong.
I'm not really taking a stand on the merits of the case one way or another.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 17:37:21 GMT -5
Gee, I wonder if Christine Ford can sue for all the death threats she's gotten -- the ones that forced her out of her home.
From the facts I know, I doubt the kid wins and I doubt that's the purpose. I also have lost any shred of sympathy I had for him.
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Post by nighttimer on Feb 20, 2019 18:29:19 GMT -5
To answer your questions, no I don't think this has much to do with Trump. I think Nick's family, seeing their son getting death threats, worried that it might keep him out of college and that if people remember his name with a google search might never hire him, decided to sue and I think a lawyer who sees a way to make a name for himself is probably taking advantage of that. Cease and desist letters should go out first and WAPOST should be given a chance to amend their earlier stories to show the dependency. Do I think it's worth $250 million? No, but isn't that a normal tactic? Aim high and hope they throw money at you to make you go away? My Then Maybe was then maybe they have a case if after the videos showed Phillips walked into the crowd, wasn't blocked and banged a drum in Sandmann's face, the paper continued to run the story as if they hadn't seen it, then maybe they'd have a case. I'm not a lawyer, so I could be wrong. I'm not really taking a stand on the merits of the case one way or another. It's a little too late for that, Vince. You've been squirting tears for Little Nicky since this story became a story and long after it stopped being one, so please don't posture and pose as though you haven't chosen a side. You have. So have I and I think Mr. Sandmann is a fake, a fraud and a bullshit artist. Which explains why he's on Team Trump. He's playing the innocent because he's a nice White boy and on the other side you have Mr. Phillips, an old Indian, and who gives a fuck about him? The $250 million is exactly what Jeff Bezos paid to buy the WaPo, so yes I DO think this has much to do with Trump. If by some profoundly fucked-up turn of fate Sandmann were to win the first of his apparently many lawsuits, I would only hope Phillips would counter-sue the privileged little prick for $300 million. I'd enjoy that. As to why I have a sneaking suspicion Sandmann is simply a useful little idiot for others with a much different agenda beyond his to get paid, it's because I remember how Hulk Hogan was a similar useful idiot when he took down Gawker with the considerable financial backing of billionaire Peter Thiel, another Trump supporter who was seeking revenge for being outed by the scandalous rag. Gawker deserved to be smacked around for its sleaziness, but did it deserve to be put to sleep by Thiel? No. I don't think it did, and I certainly don't think Sandmann should be allowed to do the same to the Post. Paranoia on my part? Possibly. Naivete on your part? Equally possible.
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Post by Vince524 on Feb 20, 2019 19:20:38 GMT -5
Gee, I wonder if Christine Ford can sue for all the death threats she's gotten -- the ones that forced her out of her home. From the facts I know, I doubt the kid wins and I doubt that's the purpose. I also have lost any shred of sympathy I had for him. She probably could, but you can't get money from a stone. She wasn't treated badly by the press. They reported what she had to say. She'd probably have a better shot at litigation against Feinstien's office for leaking the letter, but you can't sue a newspaper for printing an accurate story of her accusing someone of assault because a bunch of idiots decide to attack her. Just like Kavanaugh can't for the death threats he and his family got.
Nick's lawsuit is based on the idea that the narrative was false. Which if I'm correct, won't win him much money unless they can prove they continued the narrative after knowing it was false.
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Post by Vince524 on Feb 20, 2019 19:33:36 GMT -5
To answer your questions, no I don't think this has much to do with Trump. I think Nick's family, seeing their son getting death threats, worried that it might keep him out of college and that if people remember his name with a google search might never hire him, decided to sue and I think a lawyer who sees a way to make a name for himself is probably taking advantage of that. Cease and desist letters should go out first and WAPOST should be given a chance to amend their earlier stories to show the dependency. Do I think it's worth $250 million? No, but isn't that a normal tactic? Aim high and hope they throw money at you to make you go away? My Then Maybe was then maybe they have a case if after the videos showed Phillips walked into the crowd, wasn't blocked and banged a drum in Sandmann's face, the paper continued to run the story as if they hadn't seen it, then maybe they'd have a case. I'm not a lawyer, so I could be wrong. I'm not really taking a stand on the merits of the case one way or another. It's a little too late for that, Vince. You've been squirting tears for Little Nicky since this story became a story and long after it stopped being one, so please don't posture and pose as though you haven't chosen a side. You have. So have I and I think Mr. Sandmann is a fake, a fraud and a bullshit artist. Which explains why he's on Team Trump. He's playing the innocent because he's a nice White boy and on the other side you have Mr. Phillips, an old Indian, and who gives a fuck about him? The $250 million is exactly what Jeff Bezos paid to buy the WaPo, so yes I DO think this has much to do with Trump. If by some profoundly fucked-up turn of fate Sandmann were to win the first of his apparently many lawsuits, I would only hope Phillips would counter-sue the privileged little prick for $300 million. I'd enjoy that. As to why I have a sneaking suspicion Sandmann is simply a useful little idiot for others with a much different agenda beyond his to get paid, it's because I remember how Hulk Hogan was a similar useful idiot when he took down Gawker with the considerable financial backing of billionaire Peter Thiel, another Trump supporter who was seeking revenge for being outed by the scandalous rag. Gawker deserved to be smacked around for its sleaziness, but did it deserve to be put to sleep by Thiel? No. I don't think it did, and I certainly don't think Sandmann should be allowed to do the same to the Post. Paranoia on my part? Possibly. Naivete on your part? Equally possible. I did chose a side in the original narrative, that the kids could have behaved better, but they didn't surround Phillips, and that the actions of Phillips, the other Native Americans, and the BI's were far more troubling to me than Nick and his smirk. I don't have a position on the lawsuit. I don't know enough about these things to venture an opinion. Personally, I would have lawyers send letters to the newspapers asking they make retractions. I see this as a money grab. I just don't know how much of it is being pushed by the parents, the kid or the lawyer.
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Post by Vince524 on Feb 21, 2019 12:51:37 GMT -5
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Post by Vince524 on Feb 21, 2019 13:33:16 GMT -5
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Post by nighttimer on Feb 21, 2019 20:04:55 GMT -5
Kristen Powers means nothing to me. She's the quintessential Fox News Liberal. She sits there next to the scummy likes of rat bastards like Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannity to present a semblance of respect for "the other side" as she gets bulldozed by their unabashed right-wing doggerel and meekly genuflects and politely begs to differ with the blustering host though admitting they are fundamentally correct, it's just that their approaches are slightly different. Powers, like other "liberals" formerly or presently at Faux are, such as Bob Beckel, Juan Williams, Al Dershowitz, or the late Pat Caddell and Alan Colmes are nothing more than rhetorical punching bags for the far-right blowhards of the channel. What Powers does is empower the strength of an aggressive conservative argument by offering a passive liberal counter proposal. They come loaded to bear with the heavy artillery and she rolls up with a half-empty squirt gun. It's as fake as a porn skank's orgasm. Powers may not do 12-man bukkake gang-bangs, but she is just another media whore who peddles her bullshit opinions for profit instead of her ass. She's turned being a useless sellout into an art form. Fuck her regrets and fuck her reflections.
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Post by nighttimer on Mar 15, 2019 14:56:39 GMT -5
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Post by Vince524 on Mar 15, 2019 15:42:57 GMT -5
I'm curious as to whether the family is being taken in by ambulance chancing type lawyer who thinks big news orgs will throw gobs of money at them, or if they themselves think that they will. Either way, I don't think this makes Nick look good, and can do some serious damage to his college and job prospects if they view him as being money hungry and/or litigious. (Is that the right way to use the word?)
On the one hand, it shouldn't take a lawsuit for new organizations to correct incorrect information, but this is just downright silly.
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Post by haggis on Mar 15, 2019 16:50:07 GMT -5
I'm not known for agreeing with Nighttimer so I see no reason to start now. Rather, I'm more inclined to blame the litigious little prick's entitled family. Not that I don't blame the litigious little prick too, and the MAGAt he rode in on.
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