|
Post by Vince524 on Mar 26, 2019 15:27:17 GMT -5
The new rule is that if criminal charges are not brought, a person has been completely exonerated, we don't need to know anything else, and we should all drop it, apologize for our suspicions, and move on. They were brought, then dropped. I'm more than happy to say he's exonerated if he were, but he's not.
|
|
|
Post by Vince524 on Mar 26, 2019 15:31:18 GMT -5
Prosecutors said: "After reviewing all of the facts and circumstances of the case, including Mr. Smollett’s volunteer service in the community and agreement to forfeit his bond to the City of Chicago, we believe this outcome is a just disposition and appropriate resolution to this case." IOW, he bought his way out of it. How nice of them to seal the records, too. Justice for the rich is decidedly different from justice for the poor.
Justice? You got jokes. The only "justice" in this country is how much does it cost to buy some. If you got the dough, you can get to walk. Frankly, it's a little nauseating to see all this butt-hurt over a Black guy with a funny name nobody knew jackshit about before this stupid story became fresh grist for the entertainment mill who got caught up in his own ridiculous fraud.
"....and many of them are on the younger side." Heh. Heh. Heh.
Situational outrage is a game you don't have to be rich or poor to play. So is White Privilege.
The new rule is that if criminal charges are not brought, a person has been completely exonerated, we don't need to know anything else, and we should all drop it, apologize for our syspicions, and move on. If it's good enough for a shady asshole in Washington, it's good enough for a shady asshole in Chicago. Jeffrey Epstein should certainly be in prison too. Did I miss a thread where I was supposed to say that? There a plenty of people that should be in prison, but aren't. If this hadn't been a high profile case with an actor, this wouldn't be dropped. Compare that to Cyntoia Brown who was sentenced to life at 16 for killing the person who trafficked her. www.governing.com/topics/public-justice-safety/tns-Cyntoia-Brown-tennesee-sex-trafficking.html
|
|
|
Post by robeiae on Mar 26, 2019 18:45:18 GMT -5
Nighttimer mistakes momentary interest for angst/privilege/"butthurt," I think.
Epstein is the scum of the Earth and should be in jail for life, if not dead. Jesse Smollett did something ill-conceived and stupid and--as I said upthread--I think Smollett's actions warrant a fine and 2-6 months in jail, at most.
But warping the legal system for someone, simply because they have money/fame/power, strikes me as something that should be pointed out whenever it happens. Really, the villains in this tale are now all in the Cook County State's Attorney's Office. What a bunch of clowns (imo, of course).
|
|
|
Post by nighttimer on Mar 26, 2019 22:24:47 GMT -5
Nighttimer mistakes momentary interest for angst/privilege/"butthurt," I think. No, you don't think and nighttimer doesn't mistake a goddamn thing in the throw-the-book-at-him mentality where a nobody actor like Smollett fakes a police report and causes a lot of commotion, but ZERO lasting harm to anything but his meaningless career with the slap-on-the-wrist for an odd billionaire pedophile fuck who is connected to rich powerful, privileged egotistical pricks including two U.S. presidents. Guys like Epstein, Trump and Clinton are used to getting what they want and what they wanted was underage punanny. Jussie Smollett faced 16 felony counts with one-to-three years in prison for filing a false police report. The other felonies carried penalties of up to an additional four years in the slammer or probation. Overcharged,much? Jeffrey Epstein got a hand job from a future Trump Cabinet official and instead of spending the rest of his rotten life in prison was given 13 months in jail PLUS a plea agreement that meant the world would never know the extent of his crimes or who else was involved. In a land where justice actually exists and the rich and well-connected can't cut deals to get out of jail quick and keep all their dirty little secrets, Jeffrey Epstein would be doing hard time in prison desperately trying not to drop the soap in the shower. Wouldn't you like to know if any of the boys invited to join in Jefferey's fun time with underage girls included any dudes name Donny, Bubba or Al? I know I would. Despite the fury of Rahm Emanuel and Eddie Johnson unleashed upon an idiot like Smollett, what's REAL, lasting damage done here? To the reputation of Chicago? Sheeeeeit. No damage I can see. Not when compared to a rich fuck who did as he pleased with underage girls, fuck up their lives as he is free to live his in a mansion, wipe his ass with money and do it all over again if he so pleases. But by all means, robeiae, wave it all away as "momentary interest for angst/privilege/butthurt." For all the IMO's and LOL's and the played-out " Oh, I'm not a partisan" phony posturing of yours, nobody's gullible enough or dumb enough to buy the b.s. You pick and choose your shots just like everybody else and it's a lot easier for you to take shots at an insignificant fool who played himself instead of a sex-trafficking, serial pedophile and rapist who miraculously got a Get Out of Jail Free card from a punk who almost became Trump's next A.G. Situational outrage is garbage, but in some places its standard operating procedure.
|
|
|
Post by robeiae on Mar 27, 2019 0:05:11 GMT -5
Lol. Nighttimer, you're the lord high king of situational outrage. You brought Epstein up in this thread. Why?
I'm not angsty over Smollett getting off, nor am I butthurt over it. It's a current news item. We have a thread on it. So people comment. That's all there is. Want to talk about Epstein? Knock yourself out (he's been talked about before here; I think I noted then that he was scum). But why in this thread? Why at this moment?
You're the one who is all "angsty" here, and for a very simple reason: Smollett is black. And while you're smart enough to not play the "he was framed" card, you're still filled with enough self-righteous anger--because he's black--to look for a means to deflect criticism.
As to this:
I think that's a rather simple-minded take. It's hardly the end of the world, to be sure, but both a) staging phony hate crimes and b) letting people get away with the same can have an impact over time. It's tough to measure, no doubt, but Smollett's stupidity will not help the next actual victim of a hate crime. And the Chicago prosecutor's stupidity will not help convict people who get charged with similar crimes (regardless of the basis).
|
|
|
Post by nighttimer on Mar 27, 2019 9:48:19 GMT -5
Lol. Nighttimer, you're the lord high king of situational outrage. You brought Epstein up in this thread. Why? I'm not angsty over Smollett getting off, nor am I butthurt over it. It's a current news item. We have a thread on it. So people comment. That's all there is. Want to talk about Epstein? Knock yourself out (he's been talked about before here; I think I noted then that he was scum). But why in this thread? Why at this moment? You're the one who is all "angsty" here, and for a very simple reason: Smollett is black. And while you're smart enough to not play the "he was framed" card, you're still filled with enough self-righteous anger--because he's black--to look for a means to deflect criticism.
I also said...
...though upon further review, I believe I overstated how impactful Smolett's little song and dance would be to real victims of racially motivated, homophobic harassment and violence. At the end of the day the only real lasting damage will be to Smolett's immediate hopes for gainful employment in Hollywood.
You can play that song about "nighttimer is only doing this because the guy is Black" for somebody else. That's your favorite go-to move when you've got nothing else. It's lazy thinking and it's a typical White Guy comeback. I heard that shit 11 years ago when Barack Obama first ran for president. It was weak shit then and it's weak shit now. You know why nobody says, "robeiae is only doing this because the guy is White?" Because White people cape for other White people ALL THE TIME.
Why bring up Jeffrey Epstein? Why not bring up Jeffrey Epstein? It's relevant. Because Epstein gamed the system and so did Smollett, but only one of them aroused the anger and wadded the panties of White folks and guess what, it wasn't the dirty dude dicking down gum-snapping teens.
As far as playing The Black Card to "deflect criticism" GTFO with that noise. I wouldn't piss on Jussie Smollett if his ass was on fire, but White guys walk ALL THE TIME for much shadier shit, like vehicular homicide, sex trafficking, child molestation, and colluding with a foreign power. I don't have to like Smollett to like he gamed a legal system that was never designed to dispense justice fairly and equally and bought himself some instead.
White folks do, so why can't other folks? Money is green, but it's color-blind. Spread some around and see what grows. So yeah, there IS a ton of "butt hurt" up in this thread. Guilty as sin guys and gals walk each and every day because the police fucked up and didn't read them their rights. Someone in the crime lab mixed up a pubic hair with a nose hair. The prosecutor knows the confession is bogus, the witnesses are unreliable, and their case is weak. The judge doesn't care and is thinking about missing his tee time. Thus comes the butt hurt. Maybe from the wadded underwear. Don't know. Could care less.
But if I have to explain why Jeffrey Epstein beating the rap is relevant to Jussie Smollett beating the rap, you're too far gone to make the reach.
Your crystal ball is fogged. The world is full of terrible, awful, horrible, no-good predictions of people getting away with stuff and law enforcement having their hands tied by a miscarriage of justice----and the vast majority of them never happened.
Following the primrose path of your own rather simple-minded take, by allowing a wealthy sexual predator to walk and keep secret which of his pals joined in his degenerate debauchery will lead to more innocent little White girls falling into the nefarious clutches of slavering sex traffickers to suck and fuck other sick bastards just like Jeffrey Epstein. Between my "simple-minded take" and yours, I consider mine the more plausible of the two. YMMV.
Speculation and hyperbole is a poor substitute for rational reasoning and critical thinking, but it's got to be a lot less wear and tear on your frontal lobe.
|
|
|
Post by markesq on Mar 27, 2019 10:20:54 GMT -5
I can't really post as a prosecutor, but if I could post as a prosecutor I would say: I get why they'd drop all charges. It's a non-violent crime, a trial would be a HUGE circus, and for what gain? A few months in jail, MAYBE.
That said, in exchange for dropping them, I absolutely would require JS to admit he made it up, and maybe have him get some kind of counseling. There's no lesson learned and no good look at justice when the charges disappear and he can maintain the fiction he's innocent and these other people are guilty of assault. That's actually kind of bizarre.
|
|
|
Post by Vince524 on Mar 27, 2019 11:50:33 GMT -5
I can't really post as a prosecutor, but if I could post as a prosecutor I would say: I get why they'd drop all charges. It's a non-violent crime, a trial would be a HUGE circus, and for what gain? A few months in jail, MAYBE. That said, in exchange for dropping them, I absolutely would require JS to admit he made it up, and maybe have him get some kind of counseling. There's no lesson learned and no good look at justice when the charges disappear and he can maintain the fiction he's innocent and these other people are guilty of assault. That's actually kind of bizarre. I would have thought a plea deal, probation, fines, ect, but yes. With him owning it.
|
|
|
Post by markesq on Mar 27, 2019 12:15:51 GMT -5
I can't really post as a prosecutor, but if I could post as a prosecutor I would say: I get why they'd drop all charges. It's a non-violent crime, a trial would be a HUGE circus, and for what gain? A few months in jail, MAYBE. That said, in exchange for dropping them, I absolutely would require JS to admit he made it up, and maybe have him get some kind of counseling. There's no lesson learned and no good look at justice when the charges disappear and he can maintain the fiction he's innocent and these other people are guilty of assault. That's actually kind of bizarre. I would have thought a plea deal, probation, fines, ect, but yes. With him owning it. That would be an option, sure, but a lot of non-violent crimes these days are dealt with without a plea deal, for the simple reason that a guilty plea can really screw up someone's life (job hunting, especially). We're moving toward the idea that tagging someone with a criminal record, if they've lived a crime-free life for the most part, isn't a great solution. So there are many pre-trial diversion programs to keep people's records clean, which I feel would be appropriate here, but they always include the person taking responsibility.
|
|
|
Post by Vince524 on Mar 27, 2019 13:20:33 GMT -5
Got it. Add that to my list of reforms. Easier expungements of records for crimes such as this
|
|
|
Post by markesq on Mar 27, 2019 13:58:39 GMT -5
Got it. Add that to my list of reforms. Easier expungements of records for crimes such as this Duly added, and seconded.
|
|
|
Post by robeiae on Mar 27, 2019 16:08:39 GMT -5
I can't really post as a prosecutor, but if I could post as a prosecutor I would say: I get why they'd drop all charges. It's a non-violent crime, a trial would be a HUGE circus, and for what gain? A few months in jail, MAYBE. That said, in exchange for dropping them, I absolutely would require JS to admit he made it up, and maybe have him get some kind of counseling. There's no lesson learned and no good look at justice when the charges disappear and he can maintain the fiction he's innocent and these other people are guilty of assault. That's actually kind of bizarre. That makes perfect sense, imo. I thought Smollett would cut a deal and avoid the circus of a trial, but if he's steadfastly refusing to do that, I could understand dropping the charges, though it seems to me some sort of deferred prosecution would have been better, wherein Smollett would be required to--at the very least--cease proclaiming his innocence.
|
|
|
Post by nighttimer on Mar 27, 2019 17:39:13 GMT -5
I can't really post as a prosecutor, but if I could post as a prosecutor I would say: I get why they'd drop all charges. It's a non-violent crime, a trial would be a HUGE circus, and for what gain? A few months in jail, MAYBE. That said, in exchange for dropping them, I absolutely would require JS to admit he made it up, and maybe have him get some kind of counseling. There's no lesson learned and no good look at justice when the charges disappear and he can maintain the fiction he's innocent and these other people are guilty of assault. That's actually kind of bizarre.That makes perfect sense, imo. I thought Smollett would cut a deal and avoid the circus of a trial, but if he's steadfastly refusing to do that, I could understand dropping the charges, though it seems to me some sort of deferred prosecution would have been better, wherein Smollett would be required to--at the very least--cease proclaiming his innocence. Y'all mad? If Jussie Smollett wanted to have a street party and invite everyone to come and get their eat, drink and dance on, he could. Why shouldn't he proclaim his innocence? Would you be happier if he 'fessed up? Would that make things better for you? Demand a true confession from Donald Trump and Bill Clinton and Alan Dershowitz and Jeffrey Epstein about their crimes. Do that first and maybe then you'll hold the moral high ground. Right now you just look like you smelled something bad and sucked on something sour. There are reasons why Smollett walked. Reasons that have nothing to do with his race, his sexual orientation, his celebrity, or any of that. Here's your choices. Ready? Deal with it. Or don't. It won't change a thing either way. The next time Mr. Smollett sees the inside of a courtroom is when he and his lawyers are suing the shit out of Rahm Emanuel for slander. That would be fun. All the wallowing in what was essentially little more than a high profile false police report is a classic case of obsessing on a single tree in a vast forest of Chicago injustice.
In his rant over the Smollett decision, Rahm Emanuel used words likes "moral", "accountability" and "ethical." Excuse me? Is that the same Rahm Emanuel I'm familiar with? Can't be. It has to be some other poor bastard cursed with the same name. It's amazing Emanuel didn't spontaneously combust when he used words he has no personal familiarity with. Rahm Emanuel is a cancer to the American political system and as corrupt and unethical as Al Capone. Fuck that guy.
|
|
|
Post by Optimus on Mar 28, 2019 12:05:01 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by Don on Mar 28, 2019 13:45:35 GMT -5
Spoiler alert: I read the rest of the article, and heads should roll. They won't, of course, but they should.
|
|