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Post by prozyan on Mar 18, 2019 12:23:52 GMT -5
He shouldn't have. He said nothing either wrong or offensive.
But hey, never let a good outrage go to waste.
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Post by robeiae on Mar 18, 2019 12:50:53 GMT -5
Agree. It was a self-deprecating joke--the best kind, imo--and the "outrage" over it was/is completely phony.
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Post by Vince524 on Mar 18, 2019 12:58:59 GMT -5
Agree. I joke all the time when I brag about my kids being honor students, deans list, and 1 graduating 1 year early in top 1% that she gets her brains from my wife. (Of course, that’s to a great extent true.)
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Post by markesq on Mar 18, 2019 13:02:38 GMT -5
OK, I thought I was being dense. But if we're all correct about this, I'm disappointed he caved so easily.
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Post by mikey on Mar 18, 2019 13:22:37 GMT -5
Yeah, Buff made a mistake. Way too transparent letting himself be molded into something he's not.
If he's a jokesie kind of guy with a sense of humor, he should embrace that part of himself, it can work for him. Just ask president Donald Trump.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2019 14:16:24 GMT -5
I think far too much was made of it, but the basis of the objection is the same as the objection to the tired joke about father's "babysitting" their own children.
Fathers should carry half the parenting duty. Unfortunately, even when mothers hold a full-time job, there's often a subtle--sometimes not so subtle--implication that it is more the mom's job.
Honestly? Too much was made of it, but I cringed.
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Post by robeiae on Mar 18, 2019 14:34:29 GMT -5
See, I think he's been making the joke simply because he's been running all over the country and hasn't been home much. I don't think it was about the roles of mothers and fathers, at all. It's about his specific situation. I think women politicos--who are in the same sort of situation--should be able to make the same sort of joke.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2019 14:45:58 GMT -5
I think that's what he meant, yes. And I repeat that IMO it was a tempest in a teapot.
But that's why it hit a sore spot. However Beto meant it, there's that "Moms have more responsibility" thing hanging out there in the ether, and the remark hit on that nerve.
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Post by nighttimer on Mar 18, 2019 21:15:21 GMT -5
Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand formally announced she is running for president, and yes, you are not the only one who thought she already had. But nevermind that. Let's talk about Beto O'Rourke. The guy who doesn't seem to own a tie. He and Jim Jordan should hang out and see if this no suit/no tie thing they're pushing really catches on. Confession: I have paid little to no attention to Betomania. He enters the race with no more juice than any other candidate. I know very little about O'Rourke except he came kinda sorta close to knocking off Terrible Ted Cruz, but didn't. Now he wants to run for president and try to knock off Donald Trump. Okay. Ambition isn't all bad. But while O'Rourke shows he knows how to raise a lot of money real quick like Bernie Sanders, like Sanders there's a serious question of how much of a Democrat he is. That's a charge that was levied against Barack Obama, and to the degree the Democrats lost control of the Senate and House for most of his presidency, there may be something to it. The difference is Obama waited until he became president to lose interest in electing more Democrats. O'Rourke is getting it out of the way early.
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Post by markesq on Mar 19, 2019 9:57:05 GMT -5
Meanwhile, Elizabeth Warren is Tweeting her support for reparations:
"Slavery is a stain on America & we need to address it head on. I believe it’s time to start a national, full-blown conversation about reparations. I support the bill in the House to support a congressional panel of experts so that our nation can do what’s right & begin to heal."
Without commenting on the merits of reparations, this seems like a veeeery controversial topic, and staking a claim to it this early is... brave?! Maybe she feels like she has to be a leader, maybe she feels like she has to stand out from the growing pack, or... maybe she just feels it's the right thing to do. Curious how this will play out, and how the other candidates respond.
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Post by nighttimer on Mar 19, 2019 11:36:38 GMT -5
Meanwhile, Elizabeth Warren is Tweeting her support for reparations: "Slavery is a stain on America & we need to address it head on. I believe it’s time to start a national, full-blown conversation about reparations. I support the bill in the House to support a congressional panel of experts so that our nation can do what’s right & begin to heal." Without commenting on the merits of reparations, this seems like a veeeery controversial topic, and staking a claim to it this early is... brave?! Maybe she feels like she has to be a leader, maybe she feels like she has to stand out from the growing pack, or... maybe she just feels it's the right thing to do. Curious how this will play out, and how the other candidates respond. It's not that Sen. Warren is being brave as much as it is she and other Democratic contenders are being compelled to take a stand on reparations after one candidate forced their hand, Marianne Williamson.
Since 1989, there has been a bill in Congress entitled, H.R.40 - Commission to Study and Develop Reparation Proposals for African-Americans Act. Rep. John Conyers reintroduced H.R.40 in every Congress until his retirement in 2017. Though control of the House has passed from Democratic to Republican leadership and back again, Conyers' bill has never got out of the dead zone of bills it has been banished to.
If this is a veeeery controversial topic, please tell me what about it is so controversial. America has never made good to its Black citizens on the promises it made following the end of the Civil War.
Everybody knows the best lines from Dr. King's "I Have A Dream" speech. But right from the jump, MLK made it plain he wasn't just there to make everybody feel all warm and fuzzy. King was there to collect on a debt.
What's so funny about freedom and justice? Why is that so controversial?
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Post by markesq on Mar 19, 2019 13:36:32 GMT -5
Controversial as in, "giving rise to or likely to give rise to public disagreement." Which, you know, it does.
I'm more interested in how reparations would work as a practical matter, I would like to see how they'd be structured/implemented before taking a stance on yay or nay.
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Post by nighttimer on Mar 19, 2019 15:16:04 GMT -5
Controversial as in, "giving rise to or likely to give rise to public disagreement." Which, you know, it does. I'm more interested in how reparations would work as a practical matter, I would like to see how they'd be structured/implemented before taking a stance on yay or nay. Recommended Reading (and viewing)
Should the U.S. Pay Reparations to Black Americans?
Two hundred fifty years of slavery. Ninety years of Jim Crow. Sixty years of separate but equal. Thirty-five years of racist housing policy. Until we reckon with our compounding moral debts, America will never be whole.
Coates bases his argument for reparations not on slavery, not on Jim Crow laws, or the slow-walking out of state-sponsored segregation that was "separate but equal," but on redlining and racially discriminatory housing policies. A home is the biggest investment most Americans will make and Black Americans have been historically and systematically shut out. A nice car is nice, but it's not wealth. Nice clothes are nice, but its not wealth. Nice sparkling things are nice, but it's not wealth. A home is nice, but do what's necessary to raise its value, and that is wealth because its on land and owning land is owning wealth.
I highly recommend reading the Coates argument. It neutralizes the "highly controversial" aspect of reparations and pins it down to a form of discrimination easily understood, easily proven and one with millions of living victims. Why, even Donald Trump has benefited from housing discrimination.
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Post by markesq on Mar 19, 2019 15:41:15 GMT -5
Thanks, NT, I'll take a look at those.
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Post by Optimus on Mar 19, 2019 17:21:59 GMT -5
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