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Post by Vince524 on Jul 6, 2019 21:27:22 GMT -5
I've heard of this before, but I'm not really fully familiar with all the details.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2019 13:30:32 GMT -5
I cheered. Epstein got a sweetheart deal in which many victims' accusations were simply swept under the rug, basically because he was an extremely well-connected billionaire. He should be tried; those victims should be heard.
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Post by robeiae on Jul 8, 2019 11:38:50 GMT -5
I hope they do have the goods on him and can make the new charges stick. But I have my doubts.
There are a lot of moving pieces in the Epstein saga that run from NYC to South Florida, involve some seriously powerful people (political and otherwise), and the fallout could embarrass both major parties (along with some international players).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2019 11:50:46 GMT -5
I also have my doubts the charges will stick, but I think they should be brought regardless. Certainly, I predict major embarrassment for prominent figures, both celebrity and political, and yes, from both parties. Epstein was a douche with powerful friends, many of whom were themselves douches.
I hope no one who is entirely innocent ends up falsely besmirched. But to the extent some of these people knew about Epstein's shit and still chose to come to his parties? Yeah, I hope they get embarrassed. And if they participated, I hope they get what's coming to them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2019 12:34:41 GMT -5
About those charges not sticking...yeah, this is looking more promising than I'd feared:
What a disgusting douchebag.
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Post by Vince524 on Jul 8, 2019 18:59:03 GMT -5
So I get he basically cut a sweetheart deal that would result in massive jail time for an average joe, but as disgusting as that is, he can't be tried on those charges, right? It would have to be new. Not new as in just happened crimes, but new as in they weren't covered by original deal.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2019 19:05:27 GMT -5
It appears that Mr. Disgusting Douchebag abused so many underage girls that there will be no shortage of charges that weren't included in his deal. How safe he must have felt to keep a vault of photos. It's grotesque.
No question, were he not so well connected he would have done jail time. Let's hope the photos and other evidence seized from his home, as well as the girls' testimony, puts him where he belongs.
You know, this always would have pissed me off, but now that I have a 16-year-old niece and an almost 14 year old niece, it pisses me off that much more. I'm sure you parents feel the same. All I can do is picture him taking advantage of my girls. I hope he rots in jail. (Given that there are photos, Imma skipping right over the presumption of innocence here. Sorry, not sorry. There's no innocent reason for having a vault of photos of naked underage girls.)
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Post by robeiae on Jul 9, 2019 9:09:41 GMT -5
I haven't dug into the background of these new charges, but I think it's worth noting that the civil case that was settled back in 2016 was brought by Paul Cassell--the one that named Dershowitz and Prince Andrew--also included Brad Edwards on Cassell's team. Indeed, I think he was the victim's primary attorney. And Edwards once worked for Scott Rothstein, noted ponzi schemer and lawyer who maybe is every bit as horrible as Epstein. I note this because I think there's a lot of villains in all of this and just because someone seems to be anti-Epstein in the moment, it doesn't mean that they were always such, nor does it mean that their hands are clean. And I think that's why Epstein has never really been punished appropriately.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2019 9:41:38 GMT -5
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Post by Vince524 on Jul 9, 2019 12:28:32 GMT -5
I keep seeing on twitter someone saying the charges are coming from SDNY, but I have no idea what that stands for or who it is.
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Post by markesq on Jul 9, 2019 16:19:24 GMT -5
I keep seeing on twitter someone saying the charges are coming from SDNY, but I have no idea what that stands for or who it is. Southern District of New York, a federal jurisdictional district, which of course would mean federal charges, as opposed to state.
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Post by michaelw on Jul 10, 2019 6:16:24 GMT -5
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Post by robeiae on Jul 10, 2019 8:57:10 GMT -5
This is a really complete piece from last year on Epstein and the deal he received: www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article214210674.htmlIt details how Acosta knuckled under to--or happily went along with--Epstein's team of lawyers and their private investigators (this is really where bog big money brings huge benefits). But it also details the failings of the guy who probable ought to be getting a lot more flack in all of this, former Palm Beach State Attorney Barry Krischer: Krischer is keeping a very low profile (unsurprisingly). But here's some old food for thought on Krischer: www.nationalreview.com/2004/02/limbaugh-law/www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-2004-01-29-0401290187-story.htmlThat's right, it was Krischer who went balls to the wall after Limbaugh for the latter's abuse of prescription drugs--and got smacked down several times in the process for questionable actions--but seemingly backed off a guy who was accused of raping multiple children. I don't note this for the political angle--though Krischer is a Dem--but rather because of the obvious double standard: Krischer backed off Epstein because--imo--the case seemed hard to win at the time and unlikely to help him career-wise, but he went after Limbaugh because it seemed to be a great way to get national attention. As it turns out, he was wrong on both counts. Acosta deserves the grief he is getting in my view, but Krischer--who is now in private practice--deserves just as much, if not more.
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Post by robeiae on Jul 11, 2019 14:37:40 GMT -5
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Post by michaelw on Jul 12, 2019 6:07:27 GMT -5
Good article. www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/welcome-to-the-hellfire-club/Michael Warren Davis, who notes in the above piece that he voted for Trump in 2016, comes out and says what a lot of partisans probably know (or suspect) to be true but don't want to admit: that Trump and Clinton both probably knew this whole time that Epstein was a predator. But really, who could be surprised?
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