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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 19:25:22 GMT -5
Wait, didn't you flounce?
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Post by nighttimer on Jul 5, 2019 21:15:10 GMT -5
Wait, didn't you flounce? Flounce?
I don't do flounce.
I leave that sort of weak shit to the legends in their own mind who do that when called out on their weak shit one time too many and lacking anything remotely resembling a reasoned, logical, critically thought-out, intelligent response instead fall back on one-liners and projections of their own behavior, because really what the heck else do they have to contribute but some weak shit point of view minus facts, sources or corroboration who will react poorly whenever that is pointed out to them.
Mext, they seemingly develop a hankering for the gig they used to have before they gave it up because they were having a hissy fit and willingly gave up Mjölnir, Ban Hammer of the Gods.
So, so sorry but not really, if I'm unfamiliar with this "flounce" type thang you speak of. Is it a White thing or am I playing Opty's played out race card?
I do clapback.
You be you.
It's like...I dunno... weird.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 23:23:26 GMT -5
Wait, didn't you flounce? Flounce?
I don't do flounce.
I leave that sort of weak shit to the legends in their own mind who do that when called out on their weak shit one time too many and lacking anything remotely resembling a reasoned, logical, critically thought-out, intelligent response instead fall back on one-liners and projections of their own behavior, because really what the heck else do they have to contribute but some weak shit point of view minus facts, sources or corroboration who will react poorly whenever that is pointed out to them.
Mext, they seemingly develop a hankering for the gig they used to have before they gave it up because they were having a hissy fit and willingly gave up Mjölnir, Ban Hammer of the Gods.
So, so sorry but not really, if I'm unfamiliar with this "flounce" type thang you speak of. Is it a White thing or am I playing Opty's played out race card?
I do clapback. You be you. Huh. See, when you said this: I took it as a flounce. You even signed and dated it, to make it extra official. Of course, it was way, way, way, WAY longer than that and as nasty as fuck, you being you. But looking at that little snippet, seems to me it's hard to see how else one could read that than as a flounce, hmmm? But hey, I'm a mere...how did you put it? my eyes glazed over halfway through your flounce...Oh yeah, I'm a mere "aging cheerleader," not a valiant martyr like you. So what do I know? I could post the whole thing so everyone could judge for themselves whether it was a flounce. But I think that's enough to show that just like Trump, you lie. I gave it a 4/10, btw.
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Post by nighttimer on Jul 6, 2019 1:08:27 GMT -5
Flounce?
I don't do flounce.
I leave that sort of weak shit to the legends in their own mind who do that when called out on their weak shit one time too many and lacking anything remotely resembling a reasoned, logical, critically thought-out, intelligent response instead fall back on one-liners and projections of their own behavior, because really what the heck else do they have to contribute but some weak shit point of view minus facts, sources or corroboration who will react poorly whenever that is pointed out to them.
Mext, they seemingly develop a hankering for the gig they used to have before they gave it up because they were having a hissy fit and willingly gave up Mjölnir, Ban Hammer of the Gods.
So, so sorry but not really, if I'm unfamiliar with this "flounce" type thang you speak of. Is it a White thing or am I playing Opty's played out race card?
I do clapback. You be you. Huh. See, when you said this: I took it as a flounce. You even signed and dated it, to make it extra official. Of course, it was way, way, way, WAY longer than that and as nasty as fuck, you being you. But looking at that little snippet, seems to me it's hard to see how else one could read that than as a flounce, hmmm? But hey, I'm a mere...how did you put it? my eyes glazed over halfway through your flounce...Oh yeah, I'm a mere "aging cheerleader," not a valiant martyr like you. So what do I know? I could post the whole thing so everyone could judge for themselves whether it was a flounce. But I think that's enough to show that just like Trump, you lie. I gave it a 4/10, btw.
BTW, I call bullshit.
Being called a liar by a professional one is but praise from Satan. Clean up your own backyard before you start talking mad shit about mine, because when it comes to be a liar, I'm at best a hopeful amateur at something you are a skilled master at.
But first things first! You took me off of Ignore? Oh, Cassandra! My heart is singing a song of unbridled joy! The Queen of The Colline Gate has deemed me worthy of her notice! Goody-goodie gumdrops! Did yo' mama call you "sugar" because you are SO sweet!
The thing is when I sent that PM it was addressed to three specific individuals and YOU were not one of them. Now it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out HOW exactly a message nor sent to you got to you, but then again, I put nothing past you in your manipulations and unscrupulous attempts to claim a morally superior high ground you do not occupy.
You publicly proclaim you put me on IGNORE, so how could you receive a message not sent to you? It should have been blocked into limbo, but what you have demonstrated is you are not the principled Legal Eagle you present yourself as. Not when you are willing to divulge a Private Message that wasn't directed to you for public consumption.
On the other hand it is important to you to find a reason for Opty, Angie or other members of your fan club to "like" your posts. It's a bit sad and pathetic, but you do deserve some credit since you have established you have you have the balls Opty lacks to actually engage. How low you will go in your highly personalized attacks and red-faced anger simply because of the sick burn Kamala Harris laid on Joe Biden's decrepit ass? The mind positively reels at the possibilities....
I do appreciate your sharing the PM with whomever bothers to read it. It's good to know when the cards are being shuffled, whom exactly it is dealing from the bottom of the deck. It's even better to know as a former journalist my principles of privacy and confidentiality remain more discreet and respectful of private communications than a practicing attorney.
As a former Moderator, the expectation is you would TRY to rise to a higher standard and engage in a "thoughtful political discussion" instead of personal attacks, but that's not your thing. It never has been. You prefer the adoration of your pseudo "liberal" serfs than the deconstruction of your flimsy opinions by someone who knows how to call you on it. Then again you've always been more about admiration and affirmation from your slobbering fanboys and girls flattering your ego than you ever were about actually having the intestinal fortitude to defend your own positions.
Here's the thing: if I HAD sent that to message to you in a PM and you turned around decided to disclose a private message in a public forum, I'm looking less like the asshole than you do.
Anything that is "nasty as fuck" would only be addressing you on a level upon which you are most comfortable with. One does not have to go very far back in the history of this board (or any prior one) to find numerous examples of you being "nasty as fuck" to celawson, Christine, and anyone else with who no longer post on this board on a regular basis, but had the temerity to call you out on your bullshit . Skip the sanctimonious crap. It's not a good fit.
If we're going to play true confessions and start disclosing private messages in a public setting, I have a few where you and I were planning to meet for a friendly drink a few years ago during my last trip to NYC , only for it to go swirling down the crapper after we disagreed over an NYC terror attack on a bike trail. I recall that quite vividly, but unlike you, I have enough character to not share a private communication in a public forum just to score points.
So, good luck to Biden. When this month's debate rolls around, he can only go up from his previous shit-the-bed performance. I suspect Harris won't be the only candidate to call Biden out.
In the meantime, you be you, Cassandra and continue trusting in the absolute rightness of your morally superior positions and opinions no matter how wrong they are.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 6:02:54 GMT -5
Gotta love it.
You've spewed a torrent of abuse at me, not to mention Rob and the rest of the forum, flounced with a further wall of nasty, then come back, spewed still more nasty, LIED about flouncing (in the process spewing more nasty, including calling me a liar)...but then you cry victim, claiming I betrayed some kind of duty towards you by calling you out on your lie.
FYI, if you'd come back without spewing nasty, I wouldn't have called you on flouncing. Hell, if you'd just not fucking LIED about it (in the process calling me a liar), I would have kept it to a dry one-liner. But no -- you had to be a blatant asshole every step of the way.
I don't think you came back to discuss politics. I think you came back solely to vent spleen on us. At least own it.
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Post by celawson on Jul 6, 2019 11:44:06 GMT -5
Nighttimer wrote: Truer words have never been posted on this forum. Divulging a PM on a public board that wasn't even sent to that person? That's some pretty nasty crap. Every time I consider trying to post here again, stuff like this turns me away again. At least Cass should know that, although I held my nose and crossed my fingers when I voted for Trump in 2016, I will do so GLADLY in 2020 and that is almost entirely due to Cass. (Who, btw, has not only been nasty on this forum but has been wrong so many times I've lost count - about who would win the 2016 election, about how the economy would tank after Trump, about the end of the world coming if we place our embassy in Jerusalem, fear that Trump would "push the red button" (LOL), and don't forget the RUSSIA COLLUSION BS hoax. LOLOL. Oh, and of course the NON-EXISTENT BORDER CRISIS that "Trump manufactured". There are many more, however that's not my point of posting, just a fun aside. But disclosing a private message that wasn't even sent to her has to win the prize for nasty. And that's on who shared it AND who posted it. Really unfortunate.
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Post by mikey on Jul 6, 2019 12:40:41 GMT -5
At least Cass should know that, although I held my nose and crossed my fingers when I voted for Trump in 2016, I will do so GLADLY in 2020 and that is almost entirely due to Cass. I don't want to get involved in this particular pissing match, but wanted to comment on this one bolded line.
Change the word "Cass" to "Dem rhetoric" over the past 3 years, and you have the main reason for Trumps likely getting a second term.
The whole anti Trump nastiness jumped the massive shark some time ago. 3 years squandered, just like that. ((shaking head))
All my own opinion of course.
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Post by robeiae on Jul 6, 2019 12:41:10 GMT -5
But disclosing a private message that wasn't even sent to her has to win the prize for nasty. And that's on who shared it AND who posted it. Really unfortunate. Let me be real clear here, both with regard to what transpired and what I see as the "etiquette" of the situation: After I locked the Stoneman Douglas thread, nighttimer did indeed send me a private message, in which he let me know what he thought of me--in no uncertain terms--and declared that he would no longer be a member of this messageboard. I honestly thought that would be the last I would see of him here. But I didn't ban him, so there's nothing preventing him from coming back. And--of course--he did come back. Still, what he did do--when he sent me that message--was flounce, most assuredly. And here's the kicker: when he sent that message, he copied other people in on it, including YOU, people who had nothing to do with the argument that shut down the Stoneman Douglas thread, nothing to do with nighttimer's beef with me (I think he just wanted an audience to see him stick it to me). As far as I'm concerned, when he did that, he surrendered any right to privacy re the contents of that message. And that's exactly what I told Cass and Angie when I shared nighttimer's message with them (because I thought they would enjoy the flounce). Don't like it? Too bad. Again, nighttimer doesn't get to rant at me, share it with you and others, then complain when I share it with people, as well. Neither do you.
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Post by celawson on Jul 6, 2019 13:02:52 GMT -5
Well, I completely disagree with that, though I'm absolutely not surprised you side with Cass as you always have, regardless of how it has hurt your board participation and the interactions here.
A PM is a PM. The fact that you shared it with others in order to ridicule NT is just another indication that this board is unfortunately not an enlightened nor civil place to be (as Cass has reminded me on multiple occasions, so maybe that is by design). In any event, it is a waste of a great idea, to allow one toxic individual to wield so much power and be awful enough to chase away decent people from participating. And no, don't claim that I have thin skin, because I'm certainly not the only person who has felt that way and has left for periods of time because of it. You, as the boss here, are just encouraging her. And no, you're not always correct, either, but it is your board and of course you may run it as you wish. Unfortunately, that seems to be to TCG's participatory detriment.
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Post by Optimus on Jul 6, 2019 13:36:22 GMT -5
In any event, it is a waste of a great idea, to allow one toxic individual to wield so much power and be awful enough to chase away decent people from participating. I'm sure it's quite clear to any reasonable person that the toxic person on this board (and the only person who's ever been toxic here), discussed in this thread, is certainly NOT Cass.
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Post by celawson on Jul 6, 2019 14:07:21 GMT -5
Right. Ask some who have left TCG (and two of my RL friends who refused to join because of her), and you might get a different answer.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 14:17:13 GMT -5
Ah, the lurkers.
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Post by robeiae on Jul 6, 2019 16:43:50 GMT -5
Well, I completely disagree with that, though I'm absolutely not surprised you side with Cass as you always have, regardless of how it has hurt your board participation and the interactions here. A PM is a PM. The fact that you shared it with others in order to ridicule NT is just another indication that this board is unfortunately not an enlightened nor civil place to be (as Cass has reminded me on multiple occasions, so maybe that is by design). In any event, it is a waste of a great idea, to allow one toxic individual to wield so much power and be awful enough to chase away decent people from participating. And no, don't claim that I have thin skin, because I'm certainly not the only person who has felt that way and has left for periods of time because of it. You, as the boss here, are just encouraging her. And no, you're not always correct, either, but it is your board and of course you may run it as you wish. Unfortunately, that seems to be to TCG's participatory detriment. Yes, a PM is a PM. But when one copies other people into the exchange for no reason (i.e. people who are not involved in the matter at all), there's no privacy left to speak of. If nighttimer can copy you into his PM that was all about me, why shouldn't I copy in someone else? Regardless, TCG's participation level--or lack thereof--has been a done deal for a long time. It was readily apparent quite a while ago that it was never going to get any bigger. And that's predictable (even if I had hoped such wouldn't be the case), as there's no real need for another politics messageboard and there's no other angle (like writing, movies, quilting, etc.) to draw people in. Twitter and FB are where all the political arguing is these days (which sucks in my view, because 99.9% of it is empty-headed posturing and one-upmanship). I've only been leaving the lights on for the Tim thread crowd, really. I haven't even updated the greeting since Christmas. Which brings me to a final point/issue: these "discussions" are all taking place in cyberspace; the participants are all disembodied voices for all practical purposes. This isn't life-critical stuff. Don't want to post here because you don't like person X, then don't. Think person X is toxic, then don't engage. Ever. Think the people (person) running the board isn't worth your time, then GO SOMEPLACE ELSE. You know what's really bad form on a messageboard, imo? Popping in just to scold people. Or quitting the board in a mighty huff, only to come right back with not so much as a "by your leave."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 18:21:29 GMT -5
IMO, even if NT had NOT chosen to include a couple of other people as an audience for his flounce, I don't see any obligation to keep that particular message confidential.
It wasn't a confidence by a friend or from a member with a problem he wanted to quietly discuss and resolve. It was a vitriolic screed dripping with personal insults-- against Rob, against me, Angie and others -- and ending with a flounce.
What the FUCK is confidential about that? Why on earth should the recipient of such a message be required to meekly keep it quiet? Why should anyone? The fact that NT chose himself to include an audience who had nothing to do with the dispute is gravy, IMO. Rob had ZERO obligation to keep that under his lid.
Say, if I get nasty DMs on Twitter or someone sends me abuse via email, is that confidential too? Yeah, fuck that noise.
Celawson, it is absolutely ridiculous of you to whine about how this place isn't "civil" when you've chosen to champion the least civil person here, and in connection with his least civil message. You saw that message-- you think it was "civil" and "enlightened"? You really think NT is generally civil? FFS. I have news for you -- not even NT thinks NT is civil.
Oh, and you think it's cool that he then came back and lied about it--and when I correctly called him out, accused me of lying? That's "civil" in your book?
Really, it's ridiculous.
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Post by prozyan on Jul 6, 2019 18:32:23 GMT -5
I feel left out.
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