Post by robeiae on Aug 12, 2019 9:31:32 GMT -5
Interesting piece on the "Islamisation": www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/08/12/in_france_even_muslims_have_had_it_with_radical_muslims_119853.html
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The article also notes some specific demographic issues, such as the name Mohammed being one the top twenty children's names in France, and the fact that French Muslims are younger on average than non-Muslims and are having more children.
This may be the truth, even allowing for exaggerations:
I think that there are some very valid historical comparisons available here, starting with the Christian communities in the Roman Empire. And if one were to allow that developmentally, Islam is to Christianity as Christianity was to paganism, one might argue that Islam is going to win out in the long run and will become the dominant religion/culture of France and most of Western Europe.
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“We're totally past the point where it's the fascist far right and the National Front electorate who are standing up against Islamization,” Marie-Laure Brossier, a city councilor from the Paris suburb of Bagnolet and an ally of Hamdan’s, told me. “The Islamo-left labels us fascists and right-wingers, but that's just an effort on their part to discredit us. Practically all of the activists that I work with and who are fighting against the Islamist effort to push religion into the public space are on the left.”
Fourquet's finding riveted the French media, which widely reported the overall conclusion, for which the Islamic surnames was just one piece of evidence. His evidence suggested that, culturally speaking, France is no longer a continuous cultural domain but, as suggested by the title of his book “The French Archipelago,” it is a conglomeration of separate and distinct cultural islands. We are in “the terminal stage of the deChristianization of France,” Fourquet wrote, meaning that the cultural-religious cement that once held France together has evaporated. “There is no common culture any more. Every group has its own references. Each is big enough to pretend to live, produce, and consume its own culture.”
Hervé LeBras, a well-known demographer and director of research at the School for Advanced Studies in Social Sciences, says that the numbers of Muslims in France are, one, exaggerated, and, two, misinterpreted. In an interview in June, he showed me demographic surveys indicating, for example, that only one-third of Muslims in France regularly pray at a mosque, and daily prayer is one of the five pillars of Islam. In other words, whatever the worries that Islamic militants may have about secularism and assimilation, secularism and assimilation are taking place, as they have among Christians and Jews, and that whatever money Qatar might be spending in the country, there is no fundamentalist wave sweeping the entire Muslim population of France away with it.
The article also notes some specific demographic issues, such as the name Mohammed being one the top twenty children's names in France, and the fact that French Muslims are younger on average than non-Muslims and are having more children.
This may be the truth, even allowing for exaggerations:
“When you reach a certain critical mass,” he continued, “integration becomes impossible. It isn't even desirable any more for any of the parties in question. We may already be there.”
I think that there are some very valid historical comparisons available here, starting with the Christian communities in the Roman Empire. And if one were to allow that developmentally, Islam is to Christianity as Christianity was to paganism, one might argue that Islam is going to win out in the long run and will become the dominant religion/culture of France and most of Western Europe.