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Post by robeiae on Apr 16, 2020 10:57:13 GMT -5
That's true. And it's actually getting worse because so many people have taken to blocking anyone who disagrees or criticizes any of their tweets.
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Post by Optimus on Apr 16, 2020 14:08:10 GMT -5
The stupid in...twitter...is unbelievable: A few minor edits. (the above does not apply to my Twitter page, of course ) (....or does it?)
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Post by robeiae on Apr 20, 2020 16:09:38 GMT -5
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Post by robeiae on Apr 22, 2020 8:38:15 GMT -5
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Post by Optimus on Apr 22, 2020 10:24:14 GMT -5
I know that people tend to exaggerate when speaking on things they're not experts in (check out my twitter feed!), but I really wish that people who are not epidemiologists or virologists would stop using the qualifier "a lot" when talking about about how long this has been in the population. "A lot" can mean a lot of things ( ) to different people. The last article I read that used language claiming that it had been here "a lot longer" than we first thought (i.e., February), was guesstimating that it had been here since January. The person was also a non-expert. Two or three weeks is significant but it is not "a lot." Non-experts who keep saying that really need to rein in the hyperbole or...I don't know...let the experts speak instead? Compare this "a lot longer/sooner" type of rhetoric to the more measured (and accurate) language used by an actual public health researcher: www.cnn.com/2020/04/22/us/california-deaths-earliest-in-us/index.htmlI know this may seem like a minor quibble on my part, but the hyperbole of non-experts serves only to feed into some of the loony conspiracy theories that are out there, and the fewer conspiracy loons out there, the better. We may very well eventually find out that the virus was in the US significantly sooner than first thought (e.g., December), but until we have that data, and the data is solid, it's irresponsible (not to mention intellectually lazy) to make such presumptive claims as if they were facts.
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Post by robeiae on Apr 22, 2020 13:41:56 GMT -5
This is Cuomo addressing the impact of the shutdown:
He's trying really hard to be thoughtful, but he is--in my view--making ridiculous judgments.
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Post by Optimus on Apr 22, 2020 17:57:03 GMT -5
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Post by markesq on Apr 23, 2020 14:06:48 GMT -5
I'm so proud to have him as my Lt. Governor. He's awesome. It amazes me how stupid these people are -- what do you think will happen when everyone starts going back to work and getting together socially? I don't understand why these fools won't trust the scientists who, so far, have done a demonstrably better job than the politicians.
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Post by robeiae on Apr 23, 2020 16:42:30 GMT -5
I don't disagree. But at the same time, there has to be a middle ground. The people protesting the lockdowns are being stupid; they're willfully subjecting themselves and others to--imo--too much risk. But at the same time, the people chastising anyone who dares suggest any sort of easing of restrictions are also being stupid. They've got their outrage machines dialed up to 11 and--despite their own assumed campassion--are effectively insisting that people need to endure hardship, while most of them are comfortably working from home and/or are financially secure enough to ride all of this out for months. That's just not realistic. It's true that easing restrictions will increase risk, but then again allowing people to simply step outside their house adds risk. Allowing them to shop for groceries--or go to a hospital, for that matter--adds risk, both to themselves and others. We're going to have to accept some added risk, as a matter of course. There's no way around it, unless we want to see the economy tank completely. Because the other reality here is that Covid-19 simply isn't the most deadly disease, ever. Another study in LA showed a much higher infection rate, as did one in NYC. This means the mortality rate of Covid-19 is probably lower than current number indicate, though it also means we need to keep wearing masks and social distancing. But a lot more businesses can start up again with such restrictions, imo.
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Post by robeiae on May 6, 2020 8:53:23 GMT -5
At some point, this is going to become a big story, imo: nypost.com/2020/05/05/new-yorks-coronavirus-nursing-home-deaths-didnt-have-to-be-so-high/Not all that long ago, Cuomo was being treated as the Golden Child because of how well he handled the Covid-19 pandemic in NY, while DeSantis--along with the State of Florida in general (search for hashtags like #floridamorons)--was being mocked for his handling of the same. But the numbers are what they are. NY has a death rate of almost 1300/1 million residents, while florida has a death rate of only about 70/1 million residents. There are a number of factors involved here, to be sure, but the nursing home angle is a huge one, when it comes to the spread of the virus among the most vulnerable people. In contrast, Florida's localized decisions to have limited openings of some beaches and parks*--which it was catching massive heat for a couple of weeks ago--now seems almost inconsequential. * Contrary to what many of the outragey social media posts on this suggested, the beaches in Jacksonville weren't opened haphazardly; the hours were limited, people weren't allowed to bring towels or coolers, and they weren't allowed to congregate in large groups. It was more about providing some open air that wasn't a sidewalk. Ditto for the parks in South Florida. I took my daughter to one down here on Sunday for a tennis lesson. It's a huge park and it wasn't crowded at all; people were following the rules quite well and there were plenty of Parks Department people there to make sure such was the case.
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Post by robeiae on May 11, 2020 20:10:47 GMT -5
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Post by robeiae on May 14, 2020 8:59:57 GMT -5
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Post by michaelw on May 15, 2020 1:36:25 GMT -5
I'm just glad that during all of this, Trump still has time to promote his personal business interests...
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Post by michaelw on May 15, 2020 4:08:09 GMT -5
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Post by robeiae on May 15, 2020 8:08:34 GMT -5
Hmmm. In this case, I don't think the context is what the critics are claiming. Here's a more complete quote:By my reading, Trump is responding to the current social media and mainstream media bits about how the US has so many more cases than the rest of the world, as a function of population. Here's an example: ETA: oops, that's not the one I was looking for. There was another heavily shared tweet about number of cases, but I can't find it right now. So Trump's point--albeit one delivered in Trump's typical self-congratulatory and ham-handed way--is that such comparisons don't make sense, unless one accounts for the numbers of tests done. Look at Scarborough's reply: That's clearly not what Trump is suggesting, at all. And I gotta say that it bugs me how people like him--the hate-on-Trump-no-matter-what crowd--are touting such numbers without any reference to China's likely phony numbers or with an acknowledgement that a huge chunk of deaths in the US are attributable to the boneheads in the Northeast, like Cuomo. After months of people shitting on Florida's response (and that of some other States), it pisses me off that none of the shitters are willing to step up and admit that it was the response of New York (and some other States) that was really the problem, that was the reason for the high number of deaths in the US. And still, deaths in the US as a function of population are still much lower than a number of European nations. And it would be much lower without NY, NJ, Mass, and Conn. Hell, Florida's death rate per capita is lower than Germany's and Canada's.
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