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Post by michaelw on Jun 4, 2020 20:30:29 GMT -5
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Post by Optimus on Jun 4, 2020 20:48:39 GMT -5
Charges need to be filed against those cops. Like that Reason article you posted said, the cops just keep confirming the very stereotype that they claim to hate; the very thing people are protesting that the cops claim they're innocent of.
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Post by Vince524 on Jun 4, 2020 21:04:30 GMT -5
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Post by Optimus on Jun 4, 2020 21:15:50 GMT -5
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Post by robeiae on Jun 4, 2020 21:57:58 GMT -5
Well, as I think I noted in a previous discussion, I expect better from my liberal friends. And I haven't seen any tear-gas hoaxers on my FB or twitter feeds, but I've seen a ton of #floridamorons ones (and a few "killing grandma" ones).
And the Birthers weren't trying to shame anyone, they were just being ignorant assholes.
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Post by michaelw on Jun 5, 2020 5:28:37 GMT -5
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Post by Vince524 on Jun 5, 2020 7:09:27 GMT -5
Can't see anything going wrong with that.
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Post by michaelw on Jun 5, 2020 9:12:56 GMT -5
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Post by robeiae on Jun 5, 2020 9:29:07 GMT -5
On the police-still-doing-stupid-shit front:
Anecdotally, I've seen a ton of videos of police malfeasance in response to protesters/rioters/looters. I've also seen a ton of videos going the other direction. By my unofficial scorecard, it's kinda even. But that's pretty bad for the police, because: 1) their numbers are far fewer than that of everyone else (so a much larger percentage of the police are behaving badly) 2) they're supposed to be better, supposed to have training to deal with all of this
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Post by robeiae on Jun 5, 2020 9:46:02 GMT -5
On the defunding the police front, consider this incident, which is getting some attention now (though it happened in the middle of May): uk.news.yahoo.com/investigation-launched-sarasota-police-officer-142852040.htmlThe helicopter footage is much more complete than the widely-shared video from a witness. Carroll was visibly struggling against the officers and--in my view--their actions to subdue him weren't over the top, at all. More significantly, however, is the fact that the cops were responding to a domestic violence charge; Carroll apparently roughed up a former girlfriend. And likely tried to get away from the cops because he was carrying ammunition, a no-no for a convicted felon. Still, he and his family are trying to make waves: www.heraldtribune.com/news/20200602/family-says-sarasota-arrest-involving-knee-was-lsquounjustrsquoThat's all good and well, but her son looks to be something of a violent scumbag. And if defunding the police is actually being floated as a "solution," where does that leave people like the actual victim in all of this, the woman Carroll roughed up?
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Post by michaelw on Jun 5, 2020 9:50:41 GMT -5
On the police-still-doing-stupid-shit front: Anecdotally, I've seen a ton of videos of police malfeasance in response to protesters/rioters/looters. I've also seen a ton of videos going the other direction. By my unofficial scorecard, it's kinda even. But that's pretty bad for the police, because: 1) their numbers are far fewer than that of everyone else (so a much larger percentage of the police are behaving badly) 2) they're supposed to be better, supposed to have training to deal with all of this Yeah, I agree. And on top of that, the police sometimes purposefully misreport or misrepresent incidents that would make them look bad, which can make it harder to correct injustices. Civilians can do that too of course, but I think it tends to carry more weight when it's a cop. Luckily, I think that's an issue that's improving over time, due to higher prevalence of recordings.
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Post by michaelw on Jun 5, 2020 18:56:33 GMT -5
And if defunding the police is actually being floated as a "solution," where does that leave people like the actual victim in all of this, the woman Carroll roughed up? Take a look at this: www.healthaffairs.org/doi/full/10.1377/hlthaff.28.6.w1052And just anecdotally, I think it's pretty common for people who work with domestic violence victims to argue that such victims often don't get the help/support/resources they really need. To me, the problem w/ the "defunding" angle is that people think it means yanking away all the money from police, all at once, but I think the more serious proposals for this tend to be more about reallocating resources. Although the role that police play in responding to domestic violence is still important, it's also somewhat limited/narrow in the larger picture. So domestic violence would probably be an excellent example of where reallocating resources might be sensible.
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Post by robeiae on Jun 6, 2020 8:55:22 GMT -5
Well, people wanting to reallocate resources need to come up with a better call to action than "defund the police." Look at this tool:
Regardless, the point remains, regardless of how narrow the role is: police do respond to domestic violence calls and lives are at risk constantly. Take the police out of the equation, let abusers know there's now zero chance of their target calling in the cops, and that will lead where?
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Post by robeiae on Jun 7, 2020 9:39:35 GMT -5
This is just...
Apparently, she's pissed because she can't loot the stores, even though it's all "cheap ass stuff," and they're all Arabs ("fake-ass Ramadan motherfuckers"), not even Americans. So she's going to either a) call her cousin who is a homicide detective (I guess to arrest them) or b) come back and "burn their shit down."
Best/worst comment: "So this what a black Karen looks like?"
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Post by michaelw on Jun 7, 2020 18:35:46 GMT -5
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