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Post by Optimus on Jun 7, 2020 18:21:33 GMT -5
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Post by robeiae on Jun 7, 2020 19:22:54 GMT -5
From the article:
Tentative name for the new system is the Comité de Salut Public.
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Post by robeiae on Jun 8, 2020 9:08:35 GMT -5
From the Washington Examiner, no less: www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/if-you-want-more-accountability-rein-in-police-unionsUnions, in general, serve a lot of important functions, even public sector unions. They protect their members from things like arbitrary/punitive punishments and firings, while also helping to secure better pay and benefits. But there isn't another union comparable to the police union, when it comes to the nature of the protections offered. For the most part, other unions don't protect their members from complaints and criminal charges stemming from interactions with the public, from suspected transgressions against other citizens. As bad as the thin blue line is, the blue union is much worse, imo. Perhaps not intentionally, but the "stick up for our members no matter what" mentality just doesn't work when people are getting the shit kicked out of them (or worse), or otherwise having their rights violated. |
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Post by Vince524 on Jun 8, 2020 11:58:43 GMT -5
Qualified immunity is another thing. One the one hand, I get the idea of protecting a cop who say makes a lawful arrest based on good info that was wrong. Example, if someone swears out a complaint that Rob hit them and stole from them, but they were lying, the officer who was charged to arrest them should lose their savings and house. But if they gt into a yelling match with you and then charge you for disorderly conduct, that's different.
There's got to be some serious rethinking about these things that don't throw all cops under the bus.
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Post by Optimus on Jun 8, 2020 13:07:24 GMT -5
Example, if someone swears out a complaint that Rob hit them and stole from them, but they were lying, the officer who was charged to arrest them should lose their savings and house. But if they gt into a yelling match with you and then charge you for disorderly conduct, that's different. Do you mean "shouldn't lose their savings and house?" If not, that seems a bit harsh for a cop who was just doing their job. |
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Post by Vince524 on Jun 8, 2020 16:05:10 GMT -5
Yes. Shouldn't. Drive-by posting.
One person I know has said what they want is to leave the police to handle violent issues, like active shooters, arresting killers, etc. Create a new force without full police powers and unarmed to deal with wellness checks, suicide interventions, etc. I don't think that's particularly realistic, but I'd be willing to entertain the idea.
Of course, there's this:
I think each state has to establish a new, independent system for investigation. The local DA's have to work with cops, and while some DA's might be fine being independent or even happy to charge the cops, others won't.
A federal overseer to watch to make sure no corners are being shaved off.
A review of high complaint officers.
More training with deescalation, peaceful resolution
A way to integrate cops to the community like they did in Houston. Getting them together to the community doesn't just see blue KKK and the cops don't see criminal thugs ready to murder them.
Thoughts? Questions?
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Post by mikey on Jun 8, 2020 16:28:04 GMT -5
So Vince,
I notice you said nothing about the police unions. Are you good with just letting them continue on the way they have been doing?
It's my view that no lasting significant change will be/can be made to the policing system without severely slashing the unions power first.
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Post by Vince524 on Jun 8, 2020 16:41:24 GMT -5
I think there needs to be major curvature of police unions. They're important to protect pensions, negotiated contracts, etc. They should be shut out of criminal conduct cases, beyond say helping to secure or pay for lawyers.
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Post by Optimus on Jun 10, 2020 18:10:36 GMT -5
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Post by markesq on Jun 11, 2020 9:39:53 GMT -5
Sounds to me a lot like what those right wing nutjobs were doing a couple of weeks ago when they couldn't get haircuts. |
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Post by Vince524 on Jun 11, 2020 11:47:58 GMT -5
Sounds to me a lot like what those right wing nutjobs were doing a couple of weeks ago when they couldn't get haircuts. Ah. Unity at last~! |
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Post by prozyan on May 27, 2021 11:15:13 GMT -5
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Post by prozyan on Jul 2, 2021 0:22:32 GMT -5
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