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Post by Optimus on Jan 7, 2021 12:15:16 GMT -5
I agree here. While I won't celebrate any pointless loss of life (not implying that Opty is), I have to believe a trite saying holds true here: Play stupid games and you win stupid prizes. I also agree with Opty's earlier sentiment about the use of force. I think the security detail at the Capitol would have been justified in shooting every person that illegally breached the building. I won't link to it here but there is video of the actual shooting that some captured on their cell phone. It's currently floating around Twitter (as of last night). The lunatics were trying to break down / break through a closed, locked, barricaded door which led to (I think) the private offices of Congress members. The dead woman kicked through a window and was trying to climb through / break through to the other side when a Secret Service officer shot her from roughly 5 or 6 feet away.' EDITED TO ADD: Just saw that Rob posted this in the post right before this one. The guns were aimed at the mob (from behind the door) the entire time. There were windows on the door (that had mostly been cracked and broken out), and the agents yelled at the lunatics that they would shoot. She freely chose to kick in the window and try to climb through anyway, even with a Secret Service agent aiming a gun directly at her telling her he would shoot if she tried to breach. Though I'm sure it's tragic for her family, this woman was an absolute moron and a true Darwin Award HOF contender. Though I generally hate death, I have even less sympathy now that I've seen the video. She 100% brazenly and recklessly brought on her own death. Fucking moron. |
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Post by Optimus on Jan 7, 2021 12:22:45 GMT -5
shooting people who break into the capitol building during a protest/riot, then the same rules should apply across the board: shoot the people breaking into Target and other businesses during a protest/riot. I'll agree with this with one caveat: If Congress isn't in session. I believe having the legislature in session and an mob descending on the Capitol, possibly armed and with hostile intent elevates this from typical riot to a possible act of terrorism and a direct attack on the government of the United States. They found explosives, so at least a few in this mob definitely had deadly, terroristic intent. I think they found some on scene (not sure though) but one definitely got sent to the RNC headquarters. I view it differently than a mob raiding a Target (though I'm perfectly fine with a private business owner protecting their safety and their property with deadly force during a riot) because an angry mob - especially armed with explosives - raiding the Capitol or White House could do serious harm to the functioning of our federal government. It's not safe to see the mob, try to empathize with their issues, and then just kinda hope for the best. You have to view that mob like a it's plane full of terrorists heading toward the Pentagon on 9/11, intending to kill our top leaders. The same types of outcomes could happen if you just let the mob go unchecked (i.e., without using significant, potentially deadly, force to repel them) and you can't take that chance. |
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Post by Vince524 on Jan 7, 2021 12:37:14 GMT -5
I don't buy the idea that the Capital is like raiding holy ground, but it is exactly like raiding a government building that is highly sensitive. Burn a Target down, and the people there will suffer, but it's localized. Same with the Capital, and it affects the entire country. And if a terrorist organization with designs beyond this group of idiots had thought of it, they might have gone in with them.
The Capital police should never have allowed this.
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Post by Vince524 on Jan 7, 2021 12:43:13 GMT -5
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Post by robeiae on Jan 7, 2021 13:06:37 GMT -5
Lol:
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Post by robeiae on Jan 7, 2021 13:15:05 GMT -5
Also, the via Getty stuff is quite satisfying to me, because it proves how stupid a lot of people on the internet really are. I mean, members of "both sides" thought his name was Via Getty. And that reality has flown over the heads of many other members, who think it's only "the other side" that's this stupid.
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Post by Optimus on Jan 7, 2021 13:17:37 GMT -5
Heh.
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Post by robeiae on Jan 7, 2021 13:17:39 GMT -5
EDITED TO ADD: Just saw that Rob posted this in the post right before this one. If anyone thinks I shouldn't have it up, I'll take it down. Actually, I'll go ahead and change it to a link, as opposed to a tweet. And I'll still remove the link if anyone thinks I should. |
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Post by robeiae on Jan 7, 2021 13:28:18 GMT -5
I have little sympathy. If you look at her Twitter page, it's nothing but tweets and retweets of looney conspiracy theories spun by Lin Wood, Qanon, Trump and the sycophants who constantly try to verbally give his ballsack a daily tongue bath. twitter.com/Ashli_BabbittHer twitter page is unbelievably typical, when it comes to the rabid MAGA twitter crowd. She's got 16k followers. Why? She doesn't offer up anything worth reading or seeing. She's mostly just retweeting bullshit. And all that bullshit she's reading and retweeting, it got her to actually get on a plane and fly to DC because she actually thought--it would seem--that she was going to be a part of something important and historic. She actually thought she was important, that her social media activity mattered, that she was making a difference. She's a fucking Air Force vet, for Christ's sake. She doesn't look like a complete moron. One would think she'd have some ability to spot bullshit, to know when she was getting played for a sucker. But no, she was taken in by the crap, taken in in full. I wonder what would happen if all social media was shut down for 30 days or so. Seriously. Because it seems to me that a good chunk of the population simply shouldn't be allowed to have internet access or cable/satellite TV. They should go back to getting their news from local TV stations and newspapers, or just not getting any news at all and thereby returning to a state of blissful ignorance. On this angle, check out the "logic" informing this bit of analysis: Mein gott. And he's got 58K followers... |
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Post by prozyan on Jan 7, 2021 13:41:50 GMT -5
The only thing social media has been good for is giving the morons of the world a place to congregate and unite.
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Post by Optimus on Jan 7, 2021 14:15:59 GMT -5
EDITED TO ADD: Just saw that Rob posted this in the post right before this one. If anyone thinks I shouldn't have it up, I'll take it down. Actually, I'll go ahead and change it to a link, as opposed to a tweet. And I'll still remove the link if anyone thinks I should. Oh, I wasn't trying to insinuate anything. Apologies if it seemed that way. It's just that it's a video that shows someone get killed (from their own stupidity, tbh) and I know people have different sensibilities about stuff like that, and also wasn't sure if others here had seen it, so I figured they could Google for it if they wanted to. |
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Post by Optimus on Jan 7, 2021 14:19:52 GMT -5
Her twitter page is unbelievably typical, when it comes to the rabid MAGA twitter crowd. She's got 16k followers. Why? She doesn't offer up anything worth reading or seeing. She's mostly just retweeting bullshit. And all that bullshit she's reading and retweeting, it got her to actually get on a plane and fly to DC because she actually thought--it would seem--that she was going to be a part of something important and historic. She actually thought she was important, that her social media activity mattered, that she was making a difference. She's a fucking Air Force vet, for Christ's sake. She doesn't look like a complete moron. One would think she'd have some ability to spot bullshit, to know when she was getting played for a sucker. But no, she was taken in by the crap, taken in in full. I wonder what would happen if all social media was shut down for 30 days or so. Seriously. Because it seems to me that a good chunk of the population simply shouldn't be allowed to have internet access or cable/satellite TV. They should go back to getting their news from local TV stations and newspapers, or just not getting any news at all and thereby returning to a state of blissful ignorance. On this angle, check out the "logic" informing this bit of analysis: Mein gott. And he's got 58K followers... I'm not sure what he's referring to. What does "right about Pence" mean? Right about what? |
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Post by Optimus on Jan 7, 2021 14:30:34 GMT -5
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Post by mikey on Jan 7, 2021 14:45:23 GMT -5
I probably should not admit to this, but I happen to know Via's more famous brother Spa. Slurpee sort of a fella.
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Post by robeiae on Jan 7, 2021 16:42:48 GMT -5
On this angle, check out the "logic" informing this bit of analysis: Mein gott. And he's got 58K followers... I'm not sure what he's referring to. What does "right about Pence" mean? Right about what? That Pence is a traitor, part of a secret cabal since the beginning whose purpose was to bring down Trump, and that he needs to die by firing squad. |
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