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Post by robeiae on Jan 9, 2021 7:00:37 GMT -5
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Post by michaelw on Jan 9, 2021 11:00:24 GMT -5
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Post by Optimus on Jan 9, 2021 13:25:54 GMT -5
I have little problem with these bans (because all of those people are garbage and their misinformation is detrimental to society). Apparently Rush Limbaugh voluntarily deactivated his account which, to me, is basically the trash taking itself out. BUT...Twitter needs to be more even-handed in their bannings. There's plenty of trash on the far-left that waste oxygen on Twitter spreading hate and misinformation who need to go, as well as anti-semitic human garbage like Louis Farakhan who some far-lefties like to cozy up to, if not fully endorse. I have little realistic hope that tree-hugging Jack or his partisan acolytes will actually be more fair with the bannings in the future, but a boy can dream. |
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Post by mikey on Jan 9, 2021 13:54:14 GMT -5
A reverse Pol Pot?
Things are getting scary
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Post by Vince524 on Jan 9, 2021 16:55:19 GMT -5
I get the bans, and I really don't have an issue with Trump or any of these cohorts being banned. However, it seems a little off to me that they would put him on a 12-hour suspension, lift it, then without any further tweets that violated policy, ban him. Seems to me they should've either banned him outright, or let him sin again, but been there to delete the tweet and ban. Maybe say, indefinite suspension while the situation is reviewed? But much of that is technicalities.
I do think they need to be far more even-handed. With the exception of Trump, they're pretty fast on the suspension/ban for conservative or right-wing voices, and not for the other way.
Parler is a little different. Apple seems to be taking the 'if you don't do things our way, you're out of here' jumping on the ban wagon. To me, as long as Parler isn't allowing posts that violate the law (Go kill someone, here's some nice kiddie porn, how about a slice of pizza with pineapple on it) then they should be left to their own devices. The place is pretty much a ghost town anyway.
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Post by Optimus on Jan 9, 2021 17:03:51 GMT -5
Parler is a little different. Apple seems to be taking the 'if you don't do things our way, you're out of here' jumping on the ban wagon. To me, as long as Parler isn't allowing posts that violate the law (Go kill someone, here's some nice kiddie porn, how about a slice of pizza with pineapple on it) then they should be left to their own devices. The place is pretty much a ghost town anyway. If Trump goes there in full force, I imagine Parler will get a significant boost in popularity (for all the wrong reasons). |
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Post by robeiae on Jan 9, 2021 18:32:31 GMT -5
Probably.
But most of the MAGA crowd clearly have inflated numbers for followers. And I think a lot of Trump's followers are unreal, as well. Many more follow him just to see what he'll say next (ala Howard Stern). None of those things will follow him to Parler.
Also, I think Parler is just nor well designed. It's next to impossible to find people to follow, unless they're the special verified accounts ("influencers," which Parler seems to hand out immediately to some people). Plus, it loads slow as hell half the time. And the way it displays some links is just sucky.
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Post by Vince524 on Jan 9, 2021 19:03:24 GMT -5
Is anyone on there? I'm surprised the feed isn't just a bunch of tumbleweeds.
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Post by michaelw on Jan 9, 2021 19:25:34 GMT -5
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Post by Optimus on Jan 9, 2021 23:02:20 GMT -5
We seem to be starting to slide down that slippery slope I keep hearing about: thehill.com/homenews/news/533512-amazon-suspends-parler-off-web-hosting-service-reportsApple and Google have also removed the Parler app from their app stores: www.politico.com/news/2021/01/09/apple-removes-parler-app-store-456918Seems like there's a growing risk that liberal-leaning tech companies will jump on this "silence the conservatives" bandwagon and just find any flimsy excuse they can to snuff out voices on the right or perceived to be on the right. Granted, Parler comes across as mostly trash to me and definitely appeals to farther-right trolls (though I'm sure not everyone on there is awful), but this sets a very bad precedent. And the risk includes voices on the left who are "anti-woke," because in the SJW's eyes, being an anti-woke center-left liberal is tantamount to being an alt-right Nazi (the view from the "left pole," as Steven Pinker has put it). For example, Red Scare Podcast, which is run by two anti-woke Russian-American Bernie supporters, had their Twitter banned today with no explanation given. Even far-left grifter Nathan J. Robinson finds this troubling: |
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Post by robeiae on Jan 10, 2021 8:58:00 GMT -5
*insert extended caveat here, about how Trump is terrible, is responsible for winding people up with his constant barrage of lies and name-calling on twitter, about how twitter and FB are private companies, and so forth*
This is all very, very stupid. And the intelligent people on the left who are happily going along with this, cheering it even, are proving Nietzsche true. In spades.
FYI, here's the content of the email I got from Gab this morning [my boldface]:
What's in bold seems undeniably true, at this point in time. And our erstwhile former President and his cronies are a part of that crowd.
It's funny, I was looking forward to a tamping down of the pretend ideological wars being waged by Trumpers and other morons on the right, as their power waned thanks to Biden's victory, Trump's unbridled stupidity, and assclowns like Lin Wood. And in this regard, I was fully prepared to accept some victory laps from people on the left, yet expected that most there would move right into a sensible posture of getting back to business, so to speak.
But no. Too many on the left are determined to push their luck. And in that regard, they're trying to sell some bullshit narratives that are so ignorant, they're actually giving footholds to people on the right who should rightfully be eating crow right now. I'll say it again: the Dems are gonna regret all of this in 2022, deeply regret it.
Meanwhile, Covid-19...
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Post by robeiae on Jan 10, 2021 9:27:36 GMT -5
Jesus...
That's the political director of a news network, talking about "cleansing" a population. What a swell guy...
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Post by robeiae on Jan 10, 2021 9:32:04 GMT -5
This is funny:
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Post by michaelw on Jan 10, 2021 20:16:29 GMT -5
Apple and Google have also removed the Parler app from their app stores: www.politico.com/news/2021/01/09/apple-removes-parler-app-store-456918Seems like there's a growing risk that liberal-leaning tech companies will jump on this "silence the conservatives" bandwagon and just find any flimsy excuse they can to snuff out voices on the right or perceived to be on the right. It's the worst attack on free speech since Obama banned people from saying Merry Christmas.  But seriously, while I do understand some of the criticism here, there's also the fact that Parler itself is on the silencing bandwagon. Parler regularly censors users and even bans them, despite John Matze once claiming that anything that could be said on a street in New York could be said on Parler. I think I'd be more willing to stick up for them if they were really for free speech, but they're really more of a safe space for Trump supporters (w/ some possible exceptions, here and there). I get that they market themselves as a haven for free speech, which is great and all, but of course, marketing doesn't necessarily make it so. And that kind of irks me, because I think Matze has made a lot of people view him as a kind of free speech warrior, when he's not any more of one than Jack Dorsey is. (That said, I do think Apple and Google, plus FB, Twitter, Amazon, etc probably have too much power. Oh well, at least Bernie Sanders tried his darndest to warn us.) |
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Post by robeiae on Jan 11, 2021 7:43:29 GMT -5
www.foxbusiness.com/technology/reddit-bans-r-donaldtrump-subreddit-over-repeated-policy-violationsI want to give these people some leeway, I really do. I want to be able to accept the idea that there isn't a widespread stifling of conservative political viewpoints going on among these various companies, consistent with what has been happening in most of the professional media and in academia. But damn, they're just not letting me... This country has been in a lockdown--more or less--since early 2020 because of Covid, a lockdown that was supposedly about the public good. Yet, we've also been through a summer of protests and riots in multiple major cities, riots that included widepsread looting, murder, and destruction of both private and public property, including at government locations. And some political leaders and people in the media essentially went along with this, more or less encouraged it, even participated in it to some degree. And all of this was organized partly through social media, which allowed people to express less-than-kind, shall we see, opinions cops and others. But NOW there has to be a crackdown on social media platforms, because of one event, where the violent assclowns got to act out largely because the local police forces didn't do their job? A lot of hay is currently being made by comparing the varying responses to the BLM protests at the capital in June, as compared to what took place with the pro-Trump crowd. And that's a fair point: cleary, the BLM protests were treated as a much more dangerous event and one can fairly question the role of race and politics in this regard. But...one can also note that a proper response the other day would likely have prevented all of the stuff in the capitol building.
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