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Post by michaelw on Apr 20, 2021 22:26:52 GMT -5
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Post by robeiae on Apr 21, 2021 7:15:33 GMT -5
Seems like she was attacking two other girls with a knife: www.cnn.com/2021/04/21/us/ohio-columbus-police-shooting-15-year-old/index.htmlThat's a tough situation, all around. I've seen some claims that it was the girl who was killed who actually called the police. But if someone is coming at someone else with a knife, should an officer use deadly force to stop the attack or not? If the girl had not been shot but instead had continued her attack until police could reach her and had killed one of the other girls, would that be a better outcome? Even from a pr perspective, some would spin it as racist, ala "cops let black girl get murdered rather than stepping in to stop the attack." The level of scrutiny with regard to every police encounter is making policing an impossible task. The calls to defund the police may soon not be necessary as people will just stop becoming cops and current cops will just stop actively policing.
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Post by robeiae on Apr 21, 2021 8:07:50 GMT -5
Here's the Columbus press conference showing some of the video footage: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpnibt9RQ2UHere's a screen grab right before she was shot: Again, that's tough. If you watch the vid first to get a sense of that screen grab, it seems like the cop shoot to save someone's life. And there was no way to tell ages there at all, imo.
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Post by robeiae on Apr 21, 2021 14:02:25 GMT -5
On the Columbus shooting: This is highly inappropriate, imo. And how about this shit: thepostmillennial.com/blm-activist-says-police-shouldnt-use-a-weapon-to-stop-someone-from-getting-stabbedYeah, she really said/tweeted that. Another garbage human with a blue check mark. ETA: Have to give the idiot queen her props: I'm telling ya, cops are just gonna stop responding. Again, I think it beyond obvious that if the cops DIDN'T shoot and the other girl was stabbed and killed, these same people would be criticizing the cops for not shooting the perp to prevent a murder, would be saying that the cops didn't care if a black person got stabbed to death. Hell, Biden would be arguing that the cops should have shot her in the leg or hand to stop her...
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Post by mikey on Apr 22, 2021 11:01:59 GMT -5
This whole thing is pretty messed up. But from what I've seen, this was a prime missed opportunity to glorify the use of a taser. Also, all those bystanders need to thank their lucky stars they didn't get hit from what looked like reckless gun fire
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Post by prozyan on Apr 22, 2021 12:00:14 GMT -5
that the cops should have shot her in the leg or hand to stop her.. People watch far too much Hollywood. If there was ever a clear cut case for the use of deadly force, this is pretty much it. Yeah, obviously based on the fact she was actively trying to attack people with a knife.
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Post by Vince524 on Apr 23, 2021 7:00:06 GMT -5
This whole thing is pretty messed up. But from what I've seen, this was a prime missed opportunity to glorify the use of a taser. Also, all those bystanders need to thank their lucky stars they didn't get hit from what looked like reckless gun fire A taser fires two darts with much less force than a gun. Each dart has to penetrate skin for it to have a chance of working. Either or both can bounce off someone, off their clothing, etc. If they do penetrate, it delivers a charge that might stop someone, but if that person is on drugs or what's referred to as an EDP, it might not. Forward motion may continue.
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Post by robeiae on Apr 23, 2021 7:34:57 GMT -5
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Post by Vince524 on Apr 23, 2021 17:22:35 GMT -5
Another thing that's different between the Rittenhouse arrest and the Bryant is that they were totally different police officers. Cops aren't a giant hive mind. The police in the Rittenhouse situation didn't see him as a threat. How much of that was influenced by race, as opposed to the circumstances are hard to tell. Rittenhouse wasn't pointing the gun at anyone. But if one disagrees with their stance in that moment (in other words, believe they should have shot and killed Rittenhouse), that doesn't reflect one way or the other on the case with Bryant.
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Post by prozyan on Apr 23, 2021 21:41:36 GMT -5
And people--for the most part--aren't saying she "deserved to die." Absolutely. I'll admit I don't have a lot of sympathy for the young lady. But, being in foster care, it seems she had a difficult life and her death IS tragic. Was her death avoidable? Perhaps if real life had a pause button and the situation could be fully analyzed, understood, and the absolute best course of action plotted out. But in the heat of the moment, with the officer being informed of a 911 call that a person was attempting to stab other people, arriving and witnessing such an attack, I have difficulty finding fault in the officer's decision to employ deadly force. Simply put, if someone were attacking my family with a knife, I wouldn't care too much if the cops showed up and shot the person. "Deserved to die" is just a trap phrase used in disingenuous arguments. Its a complete strawman.
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