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Post by Vince524 on Feb 21, 2017 12:47:07 GMT -5
The transcript of Milo's remarks are here. heavy.com/news/2017/02/milo-yiannopolous-pedophilia-transcript-pederasty-video-full-sex-boys-men-catholic-priest-cpac-quotes/?ref=emailshareHe is certainly condoning relationships between young boys and older men. The article won't let me cut and paste on my phone, and I need to run out, but you can read his actual words in context at the link. I despise the guy at pretty much the same level I always have. I don't think he belongs at CPAC. If I were S&S, I would have made the business decision to pull the book deal. I will not cry if Breitbart fires him. I think it's time for him and Breitbart to slither off to the fringes where they have always belonged. Yeah, that's what I listened to. And no, I don't think he's condoning such relationships in general, he's arguing that it's not "one size fits all." He's certainly not saying that there should be no laws in this regard. And as usual, he's trying to walk a line and push buttons. Look, I disagree with him. I think he's a troll and an asshole (to put it mildly). And I don't care if he lost his book deal. Screw him. But misrepresenting is still misrepresenting. It's not okay--imo--just because of who is being targeted, imo. Hmm...
I'm not sure if I agree or disagree here.
Okay so he makes a valid enough point that technically pedophilia won't involve a 13 year old. And yes, one size fits all laws can sometimes have a large net, but we're not, at least he's not talking about a 17 year old and a 16 year old, where age of consent is 17. He is talking about an adult, he doesn't define age, but he mentions priests, so lets say at least 30 and a teen of 13. With the idea that the 13 wants to engage in the sex. relationships like that are the reason why we have mandatory age limits.
One could argue that the drinking age of 21 is too high, and that it shouldn't be illegal for a father to have a beer with his 18 year old son, or even 16 year old, but it's going way to far to suggest it should be okay that an adult give alcohol to a 13 year old, based on the idea that the child himself thinks he's ready.
We don't let kids decide when their old enough to drink, to drive or a whole host of other things.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 13:19:29 GMT -5
If we have consensual sex between two high school kids two years apart, I agree that's not abuse.
But the minute we have an adult and an underage kid -- yeah, no, not the same thing. A six or seven year age difference means nothing when you are both adults, but it means a great deal when one of you is a young teen and the other is an adult.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 14:57:40 GMT -5
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Post by poetinahat on Feb 21, 2017 18:46:33 GMT -5
Question of the day: How many events could take place where Breitbart actually comes out looking *better*?
I'm not sure that actually happens here, but it did make me wonder.
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Post by Vince524 on Feb 21, 2017 18:50:02 GMT -5
Question of the day: How many events could take place where Breitbart actually comes out looking *better*? I'm not sure that actually happens here, but it did make me wonder. If drawing the line at sex with 13 year olds is now taking the high road, then my how we've fallen.
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Post by poetinahat on Feb 21, 2017 18:56:57 GMT -5
Agreed.
(Then again, many, many people and institutions, who never did draw that line, are now being exposed. So maybe we are getting better, but it feels worse.)
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Post by Optimus on Feb 21, 2017 22:01:43 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 22:18:00 GMT -5
By the way, Milo looks so much like an old boyfriend of mine, particularly dressed up and with the glasses (since my former beau would never have worn Milo's usual clothes, at least the ones I've seen him in). It's quite startling, and makes it a little weird for me to watch him.
Anyway. As apologies go, the first six minutes are pretty good overall. But then he moves into the witch hunt/self promotion stuff, and he loses me. He should have cut that shorter. It's fine for him to explain why, in his opinion, this is different from his usual blather, but yeah, keep it to a minimum in an apology speech. IMO one rarely looks sympathetic when proclaiming oneself a martyr. I was just starting to feel genuinely sympathetic, to tell you the truth, when he began to go down that route.
I'm a pretty staunch supporter of free speech, I am frankly not unsympathetic to the gist of much of what he says about SJWs and the left with regard to free speech (I tend to agree with our free speech warriors on this site on that sort of thing), I love dark humor, and it's hard to seriously offend me. And yet I routinely find Milo to be way the fuck over the top and unfunny. It does make me wonder who his fans are.
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Post by Optimus on Feb 21, 2017 22:28:23 GMT -5
I posted this elsewhere, but I've never really believed that he believes a lot of the trash that comes out of his mouth. Some of it, sure, but some of the more outrageous things he says/does, I've always suspected that he's just trolling for attention and publicity.
I might be giving him too much credit, but if he truly is just trolling in some of the things he says/does, then perhaps this entire debacle will inspire some contrition in him and he'll tone down the bullshit and start trying to be a more serious rhetorician.
Like you, after watching the first few minutes, I was genuinely starting to think that maybe he was gonna learn something from all of this and come out almost human. But, after he veered off into the martyr/victimhood publicity grab, I'm not gonna hold my breath.
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Post by nighttimer on Feb 22, 2017 20:14:55 GMT -5
The only thing more nauseating than conservatives who have been sucked into this con man's schtick of "I'm a flamboyant gay man who hides behind his sexual orientation to say horrible things about Blacks, women, and Catholic priests" are liberals who ignore Yiannopoulous' hate speech because they are afraid of being called out as being politically correct. Milo's free speech rights are doing just fine and so is he. Resigning from Breitbart means jackshit. He's now America's Favorite Trolling Publicity Whore. Ann Coulter must be soooooo jealous!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 21:18:31 GMT -5
yes, schticks do have a way of getting tiresome after a while.
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Post by Christine on Feb 22, 2017 21:40:17 GMT -5
The only thing more nauseating than conservatives who have been sucked into this con man's schtick of "I'm a flamboyant gay man who hides behind his sexual orientation to say horrible things about Blacks, women, and Catholic priests" are liberals who ignore Yiannopoulous' hate speech because they are afraid of being called out as being politically correct. Milo's free speech rights are doing just fine and so is he. Resigning from Breitbart means jackshit. He's now America's Favorite Trolling Publicity Whore. Ann Coulter must be soooooo jealous! Yep. It's all about the money. Those desiring principles need not apply.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 21:49:25 GMT -5
I'm sincerely hoping this guy's 15 minutes really are up, and I think there's a shot. As much as (unfortunately) too many are perfectly content to cheer racist, sexist speech and "humor" (as noted above, I don't find Milo funny at all), most do have a squeamishness when it comes to child molestation. I think he loses at least some of his audience.
I've been thinking about the self-publishing thing. If he says anything that could get him sued in his book (and I'll bet he does), the expenses would be all on him, not on a publisher.
I dunno. I'm not so sure Milo is going to be right back on his feet. I admit there's a certain amount of wishful thinking there, though.
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Post by nighttimer on Feb 23, 2017 19:26:14 GMT -5
The clueless smugness of some so-called "Lefties" is best embodied by Bill Maher, the psuedo-liberal/libertarian and full-time pompously smug asshole who demands you give him props for orchestrating Milo's sudden fall from right-wing grace. Well, let’s recap. About a week ago, I went on Van Jones’s show, and somebody asked me about the booking. I hadn’t really gotten into the details of Milo yet. He was just getting on my radar. I said, specifically, sunlight is the best disinfectant. Then we had Milo on, despite the fact that many people said, ‘Oh, how dare you give a platform to this man.’ What I think people saw was an emotionally needy Ann Coulter wannabe, trying to make a buck off of the left’s propensity for outrage. And by the end of the weekend, by dinnertime Monday, he’s dropped as a speaker at CPAC. Then he’s dropped by Breitbart, and his book deal falls through. As I say, sunlight is the best disinfectant. You’re welcome.
What pomposity. Milo Yiannopoulous would go on Jimmy Kimmel, The View of The Price Is Right if he thought it would raise his profile. Giving him a forum was as beneficial to Maher as it was to Yiannopoulous, maybe even more so because the NY Times is interviewing Maher and when was the last time that happened? When Billy said the terrorists who crashed planes into the Twin Towers weren't "cowards?" It’s not my job to hold him accountable to everything he’s ever said or done. I had eight minutes with him, on the show itself. Sorry I don’t have time to go over everything everybody else would want to do. We just had time to, sort of, start a discussion of the broad view of who he is. I don’t think he frankly knows what he’s going to say half the time, or knows what his philosophy is. But to see him as this monster is a little crazy. You know what he is? He’s the little impish, bratty kid brother. And the liberals are his older teenager sisters who are having a sleepover and he puts a spider in their sleeping bag so he can watch them scream.Ah yes. Milo doesn't mean anything with the mean shit he says about fucking the brothers of Black women protesting his appearances on college campuses and if some of his impish followers/droogs happen to compare Ghostbusters actress Leslie Jones to an ape, how's that supposed to be his fault? Despite his predilection for sexing up the sistas, Maher certainly is under no obligation to defend them Can he do damage? I suppose he can. To a degree. Not a great degree, I don’t think. Could he offend people? Could he even inspire a borderline person to do something violent? I guess so. But nothing is free in life. People seem to want to live in this world where everything is a win-win. That’s not how life works.Maher is one of those "liberals" who have convinced themselves of their own importance by giving fringe cases a platform where they can go on TV and say "fuck" with impunity, but unfortunately this does nothing to enhance a dialogue between conservatives and liberals. It's just a circus where the clowns are throwing pies in each other faces but the whipped cream barely covers up the feces the pies are really made of. Bill Maher has very important things to say but only to Bill Maher.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 19:58:08 GMT -5
Yeah, I thought it was a bit ridiculous and arrogant of Maher to take credit for bringing Milo down when, as far as I can see, all he did was give him more exposure.
Credit goes to those who circulated that video with the remarks about 13-year-old boys and made it notorious enough that no one could whistle and avert their eyes -- but as far as I know, that wasn't Maher.
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