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Post by Amadan on Mar 13, 2017 10:53:06 GMT -5
definition of immigrant - someone who comes to live permanently in a foreign country Okay, seriously, you're gonna defend Carson on this just because he's a Republican? Your definition is correct only in the most literal and pedantic sense. You could maybe argue that he used a poor choice of words to convey his intended meaning, but if you really want to argue that his choice of words was correct and appropriate, you're desperately, desperately reaching.
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Post by celawson on Mar 14, 2017 19:23:43 GMT -5
definition of immigrant - someone who comes to live permanently in a foreign country Okay, seriously, you're gonna defend Carson on this just because he's a Republican? Your definition is correct only in the most literal and pedantic sense. You could maybe argue that he used a poor choice of words to convey his intended meaning, but if you really want to argue that his choice of words was correct and appropriate, you're desperately, desperately reaching. "Your definition is correct only in the most literal and pedantic sense." You said it, not me. As a matter of fact, you said a lot of stuff that I didn't. Not the first time, either. And as was pointed out earlier, Obama used 'immigrant' similarly. How do you know I wasn't defending our former POTUS? Obama is Democrat, if I recall correctly.
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Post by Amadan on Mar 14, 2017 19:29:41 GMT -5
"Your definition is correct only in the most literal and pedantic sense." You said it, not me. As a matter of fact, you said a lot of stuff that I didn't. Not the first time, either. And as was pointed out earlier, Obama used 'immigrant' similarly. How do you know I wasn't defending our former POTUS? Obama is Democrat, if I recall correctly. Wait, what? I quoted you. Who were you quoting? What are you saying here? Are you defending Carson's choice of words, or criticizing them?
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Post by robeiae on Mar 15, 2017 8:20:14 GMT -5
I think she's noting that Obama used the same basic definition and suggesting that your criticism of her "reaching" is perhaps inconsistent? Is Obama's statement as wrong as Carson's?
Me, I don't think either is all that wrong in context. Neither is suggesting that slaves should have been happy about being slaves, should be thankful because the slave trade got them out of Africa, by my reading. Much ado on this particular angle. Carson has said other things--like in the OP--that deserve far more criticism, imo.
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Post by Amadan on Mar 15, 2017 8:53:26 GMT -5
I think she's noting that Obama used the same basic definition and suggesting that your criticism of her "reaching" is perhaps inconsistent? Is Obama's statement as wrong as Carson's? Me, I don't think either is all that wrong in context. Neither is suggesting that slaves should have been happy about being slaves, should be thankful because the slave trade got them out of Africa, by my reading. Much ado on this particular angle. Carson has said other things--like in the OP--that deserve far more criticism, imo. It kind of depends on the context. If someone asks me to define "immigrant" and I give a dictionary definition like "Someone to moves to another country to live there permanently," that's not wrong per se. If someone then says "What about slaves?" and I say "Yeah, slaves were immigrants too" - let alone if I liken slaves to immigrants in a political speech - then one could legitimately take issue with refusing to see the connotations, even if it is technically correct. So, did Obama equate slavery with immigration? If so, yes, he deserves to be criticized.
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Post by robeiae on Mar 15, 2017 9:04:53 GMT -5
Neither are absolutely equating slavery with immigration. Both are making a similar point about hope for the future as an aspect of the "immigrant" experience, imo. I don't see the problem, really. Again, if they were trying to claim that slaves should somehow be happy about what happened to them, that they should be thankful, that it was a positive thing, that would rightly deserve criticism. But they're not.
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