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Post by robeiae on Mar 27, 2017 7:35:56 GMT -5
Outrage after an indicident during the boarding of a United Airlines flight: money.cnn.com/2017/03/26/news/united-airlines-twitter-dress-code/index.html Oh my! No leggings? That seems a tad ridiculous, especially since it appears it was a young girl: Damn you, UA, damn you to heck! But wait, there's still a turn: This isn't a big deal, imo. Many companies who give perks like this to employees/their families/their friends have similar rules. I used to cruise for free due to the ex's job and we very much had to adhere to higher standards, since we were considered to be representing the company (no flip-flips or tank tops in the dining room, no drinking to excess, etc.). Of course, the outrage trolls--yeah, I think I'm going to start calling them that--couldn't be bothered to know the facts, first. And for some, the facts apparently don't matter: Rogen's a funny guy, but boy does he need to grow up. ETA: Here's his actual tweet: The responses are hi-larious. There's actually some doofus trying to start a boycott in there. And there's a ton of people--obviously fans--trying to gently point out that this is SOP and has been for a long time, when it comes to people using employee/family passes. Beyond that, remember when (some of you?) people dressed for airline travel, i.e. slacks and button-downs for men, the same or dresses for women? Did you? Do you still? If not, when did you stop?
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Post by markesq on Mar 27, 2017 8:14:13 GMT -5
I still do. I couldn't imagine wearing shorts or (gah!) flip-flops onto a plane. I can't really explain why, either.
As for the UA story, I agree with you Rob. Nothing to see here, move along.
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Post by robeiae on Mar 27, 2017 8:19:39 GMT -5
Well, I'd never wear flip flops or sandals, to be sure. But I never used to wear jeans or shorts. Now I will, especially if I'm on vacation (though I still don't wear t-shirts).
I dunno, I think it's about--or was about--looking your best when traveling outside of your community on special occasions. But of course, airline travel is much, much more common now, as compared to the 70's and before.
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Post by Don on Mar 27, 2017 8:52:41 GMT -5
Well, I'd never wear flip flops or sandals, to be sure. But I never used to wear jeans or shorts. Now I will, especially if I'm on vacation (though I still don't wear t-shirts). I dunno, I think it's about--or was about--looking your best when traveling outside of your community on special occasions. But of course, airline travel is much, much more common now, as compared to the 70's and before. Jimmy Carter can be blamed for democratizing air travel, eliminating fare and route regulation by the Civil Aeronautics Board. Hub travel replaced a ton of more-expensive-to-operate direct routes, airlines started increasing cabin capacity and trimming the extras they had been using to compete, because the CAB had not allowed them to compete on price. I know, because my official position (set by the local Airport Authority) was to protect the CAB, claiming the airport I was employed by would suffer if the Big Bad Airlines were allowed to set their own routes and rates. (It was a fun gig, but the cognitive dissonance was the final straw on my regulatory camel's back, and I moved on shortly thereafter.) As a result, prices fell like a rock, opening air travel to middle and lower-income people, but cabin space and amenities were reduced to allow for more competitive fares. Net impact: Millions of people could afford air travel that couldn't before, and billions of additional air miles were traveled for recreation, education and visitation, bringing people together and making the world smaller. ...and the airlines get cursed for smaller seats, the disappearance of gourmet meals, and luggage surcharges. And some people even bitch about the hoi polloi who don't know how to dress or act properly. Oh, and BTW, that airport I worked for? It's been setting passenger records year after year.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 9:00:08 GMT -5
popping in prior to the black hole of doom swallowing me up...
Never would have worn shorts or flipflops. Often wear jeans and always did (when not traveling for business). I never would wear shorts or flipflops because (1) I'm nearly always cold on a plane, whatever the weather, (2) I like cloth between me and the seats, (3) jeans don't wrinkle, even on a 20 hour flight, (4) you have to remove shoes during security these days, and bare feet at an airport are a bad thing
If I am heading right to a business function, it is business attire, of course.
If not, I have a standard uniform: (neat, dark) jeans, slip-on shoes (no laces) with socks, dark lightweight plain t-shirt (fitted, scoop-neck, no logos -- not a baggy thing I got for free at a race), black zip-up wool sweater. If it's warm on the plane, I remove the sweater. If it's cold, it zips all the way up my neck. (Love that damn sweater --paid a fortune for it a decade ago, but it has served me well and still looks great. It comes on every trip.)
I look neat and tidy, relatively unwrinkled and unstained even after a long flight (hence the dark colors, plus I like dark colors), and I'm comfortable.
I find I am generally neater looking than 95% of the plane...
I am not sure how to answer the question because this has always been my practice since adulthood. I've never gotten super-gussied up unless I am heading straight to a meeting, but I never show up in sweatpants, sneakers, flip-flops and the like. Of course, I don't tend to wear that stuff anyway unless I'm working out or lounging around the house.
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Post by nighttimer on Mar 27, 2017 9:23:32 GMT -5
So why are we talking about it then? Oh. That's why. Outraged over the Outrage Trolls and therefore troll them back. Got it. [/quote]As long as you're not going shirtless or your thong underwear is showing, who cares what you're wearing on a plane? If leggings and t-shirts make you look like a don't care slob, does a top hat and tails or a slinky evening dress mean you're a snob? Besides, if worst comes to worst, it may not matter much anyway. So, dress casual, be comfortable and wear clean underwear. Not that it will make a difference, but your mother will be thankfully relieved.
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Post by robeiae on Mar 27, 2017 10:53:27 GMT -5
Oh. That's why. Outraged over the Outrage Trolls and therefore troll them back. Got it. Lol. I'm not outraged. And if I wanted to troll them, I'd tweet my comments to them, no? I doubt they're reading this, though I guess anything is possible. Regardless, I do think this kind of manufactured outrage from people who can't be bothered to learn the facts is bad news. Shit, it's part of Trump's MO, as well. It comes from people more interested in getting noticed than in actually doing something helpful, imo (again, that very obviously includes Trump and most of his goons). But hey, if you think such behavior doesn't warrant any criticism or discussion, fair enough.
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Post by nighttimer on Mar 27, 2017 11:55:32 GMT -5
Oh. That's why. Outraged over the Outrage Trolls and therefore troll them back. Got it. Lol. I'm not outraged. And if I wanted to troll them, I'd tweet my comments to them, no? I doubt they're reading this, though I guess anything is possible. Regardless, I do think this kind of manufactured outrage from people who can't be bothered to learn the facts is bad news. Shit, it's part of Trump's MO, as well. It comes from people more interested in getting noticed than in actually doing something helpful, imo (again, that very obviously includes Trump and most of his goons). But hey, if you think such behavior doesn't warrant any criticism or discussion, fair enough. No problem here. Criticize or discuss away. I'm only commenting on a comment. If "Manufactured Outrage" is a thing, it's been a thing long before Trump came along and took it to the next level. It seems a bit of a reach to say this is Trump's modus operandi and therefore has invaded the entire Body Politic and infected it. I'm fine with blaming Trump for anything from my toast being burnt to my toilet backing up, but I can't blame him for this. As long as the clothing covers the body parts it should and it doesn't smell like a pig sty, I can't say I've ever given any thought to what I or anyone else wears on an airplane.
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Post by robeiae on Mar 27, 2017 12:57:58 GMT -5
If "Manufactured Outrage" is a thing, it's been a thing long before Trump came along and took it to the next level. It seems a bit of a reach to say this is Trump's modus operandi and therefore has invaded the entire Body Politic and infected it. I'm fine with blaming Trump for anything from my toast being burnt to my toilet backing up, but I can't blame him for this. Oh, I agree: this predates Trump; he's most definitely a symptom, not a cause. But again, his twittering reflects the same sort of thing imo: faux outrage in response to questionable facts, followed by a refusal to back down. It's one of the things that--imo--really make him look like a jackass. Seriously, this news article, this story, is consequence of some busybody seeing something that they thought they understood--but really didn't--than getting all wound up about it on social media, leading to other people--who knew even less--going off on UA with calls for a boycott and the like and all of them refusing to recognize that they got it all wrong, that they were making a mountain of out something that was actually less than a molehill. The incident itself is actually no big deal, as cooler heads seem to have prevailed, but the manufactured outrage is just more grist for a mill that just doesn't need anymore, imo.
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Post by nighttimer on Mar 27, 2017 13:21:04 GMT -5
If "Manufactured Outrage" is a thing, it's been a thing long before Trump came along and took it to the next level. It seems a bit of a reach to say this is Trump's modus operandi and therefore has invaded the entire Body Politic and infected it. I'm fine with blaming Trump for anything from my toast being burnt to my toilet backing up, but I can't blame him for this. The incident itself is actually no big deal, as cooler heads seem to have prevailed, but the manufactured outrage is just more grist for a mill that just doesn't need anymore, imo. Grist for a mill that doesn't need any more or one or two day fodder for a discussion board that does?
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Post by robeiae on Mar 27, 2017 13:50:15 GMT -5
We need all the grist we can get, if we're going to keep the doors open. I've made that clear multiple times, haven't I? But hey, I appreciate your support...
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Post by nighttimer on Mar 27, 2017 14:28:19 GMT -5
We need all the grist we can get, if we're going to keep the doors open. I've made that clear multiple times, haven't I? But hey, I appreciate your support... With 333+ posts, I'd like to think I'm making some contribution to the cause, however paltry it may be. Let me know when The Colline Gate membership drive is and I'll man a phone bank.
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Post by Optimus on Mar 27, 2017 15:33:37 GMT -5
Stories like this make me wish we could go back to the halcyon days of traveling through the skies when the only thing people got outraged at was airlines charging people for two seats when they are so obese that they physically take up more than one seat.
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Post by poetinahat on Mar 27, 2017 18:54:37 GMT -5
Based on my few US-related air travel experiences in the past ten years, I wonder why Americans even fly anymore. The "security" process is draconian and stretches out forever; the major airports seem to get grottier every year; and when did they start getting away with charging for ANY luggage you check in?
By comparison (not necessarily a fair one), traveling between cities by train in Europe - even on a standard ticket - was almost completely delightful. (Well, the France leg was pretty average, but it wasn't a hassle.)
I'm okay with the long trips - when your starting point is Australia, you have to be - but my experience with US air travel in the past decade has been an utter misery.
But to answer the question: I won't wear anything I'd worry about, but yeah, I'm glad you used the word "slacks", Rob. I do like to dress decently (say, smart cas) for travel, if only because it's part of a special occasion, and being attired decently influences my demeanor.
And the other question: I'm spending less and less time on Facebook now partly because of these mountains-from-molehills "news discussions". That, and I really have had enough photos of cats. (Which I could have said after the first one..)
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Post by celawson on Mar 29, 2017 11:11:25 GMT -5
I tend to dress very similarly to Cassandra when I fly. I want to look fairly nice, but I would never wear a dress or heels because 1) I get cold on flights 2) I want to be comfortable if I'm delayed for hours at the airport 2) What if we crash land on a deserted island? I need clothes which are appropriate for that.
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