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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 17:20:41 GMT -5
You, know, if I weren't afraid we were all going to explode into a mushroom cloud or implode into a 1984-esque dystopian future, this would all be pretty hilarious.
But I'll take the occasional dreary chuckles. They're likely as good as I'll get.
I'm betting somewhere someone is starting a petition protesting Trump firing Comey because he was doing the right thing with the Russian investigation, and another protesting Trump firing Comey because he did the right thing with regard to the Clinton investigation.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 0:07:45 GMT -5
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Post by robeiae on May 11, 2017 8:41:16 GMT -5
I think that reads right, the idea that the rank and file under Comey could be/are behind him, respect him, etc. And in offering up the idea that this is not the case, the admin looks pretty stupid. That said, this doesn't mean Comey was doing a good job. Lots of shitty bosses and--in sports--coaches--are well-liked and respected by their employees and players. So what? If they're failing in getting the job done, in handling other stuff that goes with the job, then they're failing at the job, imo. Comey may be great at a lot of things the job of director requires, but he's obviously NOT great at some of them. In fact, he's awful. Still, the admin looks petty and vindictive here and has--imo--stupidly created yet another firestorm (unless, of course, Trump really is in cahoots with the Russians, in which case this move was something a whole lot worse, yet completely necessary from the perspective of Trump). Yet, the phoniness of some of the outrage mitigates Trump's actions. McCain and others are gushing over Comey now. I saw a clip of McCain talking about how the whole nation respected and admired Comey, which is total crap. And look at this nonsense from the NYT "fact checker" on Sarah Huckabee Sanders' briefing: Holy shit, that's a pathetic attempt to find fault with Sanders' statement. Because she's right: there are a ton of people on the left who were calling for Comey's head on a platter quite recently who are now in full outrage mode over his firing. They may (they do, in fact) have a point on the timing, on the Russia investigation, on the optics, but on Comey not deserving to get canned? Sorry, no. Schumer saying he was appalled by Comey's actions and that he has lost confidence in him is Schumer saying that Comey needs to go. Pelosi saying that Comey's not in the right job is a very diplomatic way of saying the same thing. It's getting tougher--for me, anyway--every day to accept what I read in the news; the blatant partisanship is getting worse.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 9:47:54 GMT -5
I think the only way forward is to distrust opinions of all kinds, look at the reported facts, and form one's own conclusions. Unfortunately, most citizens, as well as journalists, are so deep in their own biases, they create their own spin with no help at all. We absolutely have people contorting themselves to defend or attack Trump. I'm actually trying not to do that, but I admit it's difficult, given my own long-standing dislike and distrust of the guy (which goes back waaaay before the election) and his whole style, and given the climate. (Though at least I admit it and am aware of it.)
To me, it is ridiculous to think Trump fired Comey because of his fuck-ups relating to the Clinton investigation. He was cheering Comey's last minute stumble into the election. He was yelling "lock her up!" and praising Comey. There was nary a word about canning him until now.
Then there is the way Trump fired Comey, which I think most people, however they feel about Comey, agree was not appropriate.
For this citizen, the plain facts point to Trump being enraged that Comey was pushing the Russia investigation. That does not necessarily indicate guilt (though of course it could) - given Trump's temperament, it could just indicate rage that he couldn't control the guy. I really do think Trump is having a fundamental difficulty grasping the idea of independent branches, a free press, and neutral agencies. I think he feels it should be like he's the CEO and everyone works for him or gets fired. And I think it's incredibly important, for everyone's sake, that he lose that concept, and fast.
Trump trying to pretend it's all about the Clinton missteps, or that Comey has lost all respect of his underlings and colleagues is so palpably false it can only backfire.
That said, it's silly for Democrats who were calling for Comey's head two weeks ago to suddenly be claiming they adored him. Come on, most didn't. At best, many were where I am -- still angry about the last minute "oh wait, thousands more emails!," but mollified by Comey's moving forward into the Russia investigation. (And it's silly of Republicans who cheered when Comey stepped in at the eleventh hour with the emails to now shake their finger and pretend they were appalled all along.)
And some on both sides, of course, were waiting for talk show hosts to tell them how they should feel.
I think it's safe to say that one could certainly find justification for replacing Comey, but not right now (given the optics Opty-cs, if nothing else, of the Russia investigation), and certainly not in that manner.
For me, a great deal is going to depend on who is chosen to fill the slot, and how they proceed on the Russia investigation. If it's Ivanka's best buddy from prep school, and he/she immediately shuts down the investigation, I admit I shall conclude the worst.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 10:26:53 GMT -5
...then too, for me, part of my own bias is a deep dislike of Trump-style populism -- the "lock her up!" "fake news!" catch phrases, the rallies, etc. -- and the anti-intellectualism.
I have no trouble at all defending, say, Gorsuch, who I believe to be a man of integrity and intelligence who truly cares about our system of government and, IMO, whose record indicates will not contort the law or his own role as Justice to comport to his own political biases (inasmuch as such a thing is possible). I won't join in the anti-Gorsuch hysteria for that reason -- except to agree wholeheartedly that what happened to Garland was despicable and unjustifiable.
I hate a lot of what is happening on the left, too -- the screeching to shut down speech instead of countering it with speech, for example. But by and large, right now I'm finding what's happening on the right more dangerous, particularly as they are holding all the reins of power. Which, of course, is why I'm spending far more time criticizing them.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 16:47:28 GMT -5
Comey memo states Trump asked him to end the Flynn investigation. www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/us/politics/james-comey-trump-flynn-russia-investigation.html?_r=0Comey has said he will testify publicly. He should. He must. (The article won't let me cut and paste. But do read it. Comey wrote the memo right after a meeting with Trump the day after Flynn resigned. Memos of this kind are considered credible evidence in court. And this, IMO, does amount to interfering in the investigation; hence, obstruction of justice.)
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Post by Optimus on May 16, 2017 17:00:22 GMT -5
Comey memo states Trump asked him to end the Flynn investigation. www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/us/politics/james-comey-trump-flynn-russia-investigation.html?_r=0Comey has said he will testify publicly. He should. He must. (The article won't let me cut and paste. But do read it. Comey wrote the memo right after a meeting with Trump the day after Flynn resigned. Memos of this kind are considered credible evidence in court. And this, IMO, does amount to interfering in the investigation; hence, obstruction of justice.) If/when Comey does publicly testify (I'm hoping but not gonna hold my breath), then it'll be time to bring back your favorite GIF, because this'll be me:
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 17:00:59 GMT -5
To some extent, I honestly think Trump just doesn't grok the limits on his power, and what is and is not appropriate. But of course, that is a problem. The United States isn't a family-owned corporation with Trump as owner.
ETA:
oh, I've missed popcorn-eating Jesus.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 17:40:45 GMT -5
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